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darthdevidem01 said:

And guys the Gamespot reviewer of GT5 was pretty "meh" on it on his live feed and twitter

YES they are taking longer to review it...but don't expect a high score....unless the game changed a lot for him.


well the game will change if you fully play it and not just give your opinion after the first few hours



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darthdevidem01 said:
snakenobi said:
darthdevidem01 said:
gustave154 said:

my prediction failed.... IGN fails so much... how could they have given GT5 an 8.5 WTF!!!!

i am starting to think that the PS team at IGN are actually Microsoft fans in secret.

You harm yourself by saying odd things like this considering other PS3 exclusives this year that have good reviews from IGN.

IGN's score is basically around where the media average is.....I see nothing wrong with it really.

Gamereactor with their 7 is really wrong though!

well it is around the same with other media but they gave SHIFT 9.0

and this is surely better than that

 

also IGN Original don't seem to be reviewing it

IGN original and IGN UK both gave it 8.5

And you can't compare sim racing with arcade...also NFS Shift might simply be more fun, it has a higher metacritic than GT5..so other gaming media sites may have liked it more too

no they took IGN UK's score

 

look at who the reviwer is,its from IGN UK's Martin Robinson

if it was IGN Original then Greg Miller would have done it

 

yes NFS is more of fun but it is no arcade racer,it feels like it but it tries to be a simulator

 

and just saying other media liked it so its true doesn't just prove the point,meaning alot of something doesn't make it good

most are nitpicking and stuff



lestatdark said:

Posts like this really reflects the mentality of today's gamer.

It doesn't matter that GT5 is the best simulator available and that it's the best at giving us the experience of driving. Nope that doesn't seem to cut it anymore for the western gamer.

Anyway, I hope that you give it a try before doing these kind of claims. Seems to me that you're only reflecting the negatives of the reviews and outlooking the positives.


I agree.. if you cant rewind or kill zombies, its no good.



Grimes said:

Simulators don't necessarily make the most fun gaming experience. I mean if somebody were to make a relistic combat simulator, it wouldn't be all that fun. Lots of tedium and boredom with moments of panic combined with a lot of I'm dead instantly and I don't know how.

Flight simulator comes to mind. They made it a very realistic experience. But it's not that enjoyable unless you're an aviation nut.

The thing is, GT5 always aimed to be just this, a realistic depiction of the racing world. Probably it's still far from being actually real, but it's as close as it gets, and for all that it's worth, GT5 was always mentioned for that. 

I'm not saying everyone should enjoy it, it isn't a game for everyone, but I think gamers shouldn't look for things in a game which weren't there from the get go and were never promised as well. GT5 is a game for racing fans and car nuts, it's the GT legacy and each new iteration delves further into it. After more than 10 years, I don't know why people are expecting for it to transform into something that it is not.

That's like asking a Zelda game to stop being an adventure game and become an JRPG, FIFA or PES to become a football manager or Call of Duty/Halo to become a Counter Strike type of game. Things are what they are and should be evaluated for so.



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CGI-Quality said:
darthdevidem01 said:
snakenobi said:
darthdevidem01 said:
gustave154 said:

my prediction failed.... IGN fails so much... how could they have given GT5 an 8.5 WTF!!!!

i am starting to think that the PS team at IGN are actually Microsoft fans in secret.

You harm yourself by saying odd things like this considering other PS3 exclusives this year that have good reviews from IGN.

IGN's score is basically around where the media average is.....I see nothing wrong with it really.

Gamereactor with their 7 is really wrong though!

well it is around the same with other media but they gave SHIFT 9.0

and this is surely better than that

 

also IGN Original don't seem to be reviewing it

IGN original and IGN UK both gave it 8.5

And you can't compare sim racing with arcade...also NFS Shift might simply be more fun, it has a higher metacritic than GT5..so other gaming media sites may have liked it more too

Look closely at all 3 IGN reviews. They are the exact same (text and scores). Is that a first?


no it isn't the first they did it for another game that just released

 

IGN original took IGN UK's GT5 review

 

Martin Robinson is from IGN UK



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Certain reviewers giving games low scores specifically to grab attention on metacritic are nothing special. It happens all the time with exclusives. Don't think that this case with GT5 is anything special. In fact, there may be lower scores still to come, who knows, this may be a legitimate (albiet low) score. For example, gameshark gave Reach a 5/10 but that doesn't really bring down the average much since there are almsot a hundred reviews. The higher scores from "loyal" sites helps balance it out, (lets face it, these exist for both the 360 and the PS3). This case with GT5 is not special, PS3 fans are not being shortchanged.

Typical excuses to justify low scores (or unmet expectations):

Reviewers are teh baise!

Microsoft is paying everyone else off.

This game is the second (or even third!) coming. Don't heed the scores, game is perfect!.



lestatdark said:
Grimes said:

Simulators don't necessarily make the most fun gaming experience. I mean if somebody were to make a relistic combat simulator, it wouldn't be all that fun. Lots of tedium and boredom with moments of panic combined with a lot of I'm dead instantly and I don't know how.

Flight simulator comes to mind. They made it a very realistic experience. But it's not that enjoyable unless you're an aviation nut.

The thing is, GT5 always aimed to be just this, a realistic depiction of the racing world. Probably it's still far from being actually real, but it's as close as it gets, and for all that it's worth, GT5 was always mentioned for that. 

I'm not saying everyone should enjoy it, it isn't a game for everyone, but I think gamers shouldn't look for things in a game which weren't there from the get go and were never promised as well. GT5 is a game for racing fans and car nuts, it's the GT legacy and each new iteration delves further into it. After more than 10 years, I don't know why people are expecting for it to transform into something that it is not.

That's like asking a Zelda game to stop being an adventure game and become an JRPG, FIFA or PES to become a football manager or Call of Duty/Halo to become a Counter Strike type of game. Things are what they are and should be evaluated for so.

I'm not sure if I agree with you that the game is just for fans and car nuts.



Anyone can guess. It takes no effort to throw out lots of predictions and have some of them be correct. You are not and wiser or better for having your guesses be right. Even a blind man can hit the bullseye.

Grimes said:
lestatdark said:
Grimes said:

Simulators don't necessarily make the most fun gaming experience. I mean if somebody were to make a relistic combat simulator, it wouldn't be all that fun. Lots of tedium and boredom with moments of panic combined with a lot of I'm dead instantly and I don't know how.

Flight simulator comes to mind. They made it a very realistic experience. But it's not that enjoyable unless you're an aviation nut.

The thing is, GT5 always aimed to be just this, a realistic depiction of the racing world. Probably it's still far from being actually real, but it's as close as it gets, and for all that it's worth, GT5 was always mentioned for that. 

I'm not saying everyone should enjoy it, it isn't a game for everyone, but I think gamers shouldn't look for things in a game which weren't there from the get go and were never promised as well. GT5 is a game for racing fans and car nuts, it's the GT legacy and each new iteration delves further into it. After more than 10 years, I don't know why people are expecting for it to transform into something that it is not.

That's like asking a Zelda game to stop being an adventure game and become an JRPG, FIFA or PES to become a football manager or Call of Duty/Halo to become a Counter Strike type of game. Things are what they are and should be evaluated for so.

I'm not sure if I agree with you that the game is just for fans and car nuts.

Well, probably the grand majority of the interviews Kazunori Yamauchi ever made during the development of GT5 stated that he wanted to create the perfect racing game, an authentic car encyclopedia experience. Surely those who would appreciate those aspects more are both racing fans and car nuts right, like Kazunori himself right?

GT games in the past have been critiziced for lacking the depth, be it in physics or car differences of an actual sim, and for the grand part that criticism was partly correct, and GT5 tried to correct that aspect. 

What I don't understand is why giving a better simulation experience is now considered not to be the best approach, not only amongst reviewers, but with a lot of gamers as well? 



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lestatdark said:
Grimes said:
lestatdark said:
Grimes said:

Simulators don't necessarily make the most fun gaming experience. I mean if somebody were to make a relistic combat simulator, it wouldn't be all that fun. Lots of tedium and boredom with moments of panic combined with a lot of I'm dead instantly and I don't know how.

Flight simulator comes to mind. They made it a very realistic experience. But it's not that enjoyable unless you're an aviation nut.

The thing is, GT5 always aimed to be just this, a realistic depiction of the racing world. Probably it's still far from being actually real, but it's as close as it gets, and for all that it's worth, GT5 was always mentioned for that. 

I'm not saying everyone should enjoy it, it isn't a game for everyone, but I think gamers shouldn't look for things in a game which weren't there from the get go and were never promised as well. GT5 is a game for racing fans and car nuts, it's the GT legacy and each new iteration delves further into it. After more than 10 years, I don't know why people are expecting for it to transform into something that it is not.

That's like asking a Zelda game to stop being an adventure game and become an JRPG, FIFA or PES to become a football manager or Call of Duty/Halo to become a Counter Strike type of game. Things are what they are and should be evaluated for so.

I'm not sure if I agree with you that the game is just for fans and car nuts.

Well, probably the grand majority of the interviews Kazunori Yamauchi ever made during the development of GT5 stated that he wanted to create the perfect racing game, an authentic car encyclopedia experience. Surely those who would appreciate those aspects more are both racing fans and car nuts right, like Kazunori himself right?

GT games in the past have been critiziced for lacking the depth, be it in physics or car differences of an actual sim, and for the grand part that criticism was partly correct, and GT5 tried to correct that aspect. 

What I don't understand is why giving a better simulation experience is now considered not to be the best approach, not only amongst reviewers, but with a lot of gamers as well? 

Because there is more to making an entertaining experience than just making a realistic simulation, realism may be a detriment sometimes.

Creativity and realism are two different animals. You can have one without the other.



Anyone can guess. It takes no effort to throw out lots of predictions and have some of them be correct. You are not and wiser or better for having your guesses be right. Even a blind man can hit the bullseye.

Cypher1980 said:
libellule said:
Cypher1980 said:
libellule said:
Hyruken said:

Most deffinatly not the best racing game ever...

GT5 is a good game but it doesn't tick all the boxes. Especially if we are comparing to Forza 3. The sound is not as good, the crash physics are not as good, the tracks overall are less varied and not as good, the AI is nowhere near as good, the customization is nowhere near as good, the ability to design your cars is not in it, the menus are basic, has less cars that look detailed 200 compared to Forza's 400 etc.

The areas where i think Gt5 is better is the graphics of the overall game. The 200 premium cars look better then any other cars ever created, period. The racing world looks awesome from the green grass to the racing stands.

I am a huge racing fan, if you look at my gamer tags your see i have pretty much every racing game this gen on both consoles. GT5 is a really good game, but best racing game this gen in terms of simulation still belongs to Forza 3. I think overall the reviews reflect that.


Driving physics are better than any console game. Period.

It is still the best driving simulator, perhaps not the best racing game ...


LINK ????

I odnt have man

go check most of the GT player, tester : they all said the car physics are perfect.
This is all the others aspects that are downplaying GT5 ...


Ok I'm not having a pop at you, but the statement "Car Physics are Perfect" is such a stupid one I have to haul it up.

You cannot represent an analogue system perfectly in the digital world. Compromises must be struck !

Maybe these ludicrous claims are the reason GT5 is a dissapointment to some.

nah,

my point is not about the physics being perfect. It is just the best on console so far from most of the comment I have read on the web.

also, people judging the game by their expectation are just morons ...



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