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Kasz216 on 23 November 2010
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:

Except... you didn't?

You brought up two completely opposite cases for two different reasons.


It's like saying someone who says "Obama should die the liberal prick" would could be made by a Liberal, because you found an internet comment that said "Bush should die that facist prick!"

 

On one case we have "He should kill himself so my taxes are cheaper."

A clear mark of a sociopath.  He wants someone to die so his taxes can be cheaper.  He wants someone to die... for his own benefit.  He specifically states a sociopathic reason.

Your counterguement is

"Gays should die, because got hates them."

What?  You are flailing around without making a point here... it's exactly like your poor sociopath/psychopath arguement.

You're trying to twist my words (as I've noticed you tend to do).

YOU: The people who made those comments against Ricahrd are socially liberal atheist sociopaths.

ME: You have no proof that they're any of those things. In my country people make such comments all the time regarding several groups (gays, gypsies, politicians, atheists), and those people aren't atheists, socially liberal, nor (by your definition) sociopaths.

You actually can't make such as statement (like you did) without giving proof. By reading a comment you can make out that a person is a socially liberal atheist sociopath? What makes you think that the people who made those comments didn't think that by people liek Richard killing theirselves all of society would profit (case in which they no longer qualify as sociopaths)? I'm very sure many people could think like that.

Stop making stuff up trying to sound smart and give soem actual proof for your statements!


Because he didn't say that? 

He said "He should kill himself so my taxes were lower."

He didnd't say "He should kill himself so everyones taxes are lower."

or

"He should kill himself so the deficit is lower."

or

any other number of reasons.


He said "He should die.  So I can have it better."


Pretty cut and dry there.  Though I bet if you just up and went to that guys house he'd end up being embarresed about what he wrote.

I really hope he would. I mean how could someone honestly think something like this? 

 FTR there were other comments on that site, similar to that one, but not specific ("He should kill himself so my taxes were lower."), so those people may have thought that it's better for society as a whole if people like Richard were dead (granted, just because the guy said "my taxes" doesn't necesarily mean that he only cares about himself - as I said, one little comment isn't enough to create a person's accurate profile).

Nobody else said they thought he should be dead.

Everyone else thought that he should get a job and wasn't being honest about how hard he was trying to get a job and what kind of jobs he was applying for.


None of those people want him to die, they want him to be a productive member of society.



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sapphi_snake on 23 November 2010
Kasz216 said:

Nobody else said they thought he should be dead.

Everyone else thought that he should get a job and wasn't being honest about how hard he was trying to get a job and what kind of jobs he was applying for.


None of those people want him to die, they want him to be a productive member of society.

Hmm, you may be right about that being the one comment (I looked over there earlier, and I can't remember for sure). I still say you went ahead of yourself by creating a profile of the comment poster using just 1 post.



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Kasz216 on 23 November 2010
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:

Nobody else said they thought he should be dead.

Everyone else thought that he should get a job and wasn't being honest about how hard he was trying to get a job and what kind of jobs he was applying for.


None of those people want him to die, they want him to be a productive member of society.

Hmm, you may be right about that being the one comment (I looked over there earlier, and I can't remember for sure). I still say you went ahead of yourself by creating a profile of the comment poster using just 1 post.

I really didn't though.  I said I thought he was a proffesional troll, and on the very off chance that he was serious, he probably wasn't a conservative based on the general facts.

I didn't give absolutes.  Simply probabilities.

Honestly, i'd be surprised if he even paid much taxes what with the whole writing in all caps.  (I wouldn't be surprised if he was a highschooler.)



silicon on 23 November 2010
richardhutnik said:

Consider for a moment my story:

http://www.walletpop.com/blog/2010/03/01/sen-scrooge-bunnings-brushback-pitch-hurting-the-unemployed

In this, I lose unemployment benefits and had to make adjustments.  Well, this is one of the replies:

RGB said...

I THINK SUICIDE WOULD WORK FOR THIS LOSER.STOP HIS WHINING AND REDUCE MY TAXES.WHAT A JERK...

 

So, I would ask: Should the unemployed kill themselves to enable lower taxes?  Considering one person alone won't due it (and in a sick ironic note, the manager of the former position I did work at, did take his own life after the desk was closed (my last full-time position I had in 2007), I don't see how it would work.  If I were to take the person's wishes true, then it would have to be every unemployed person. 

Or, if this sounds too harsh, would one argue something has gone seriously wrong in the minds of some people in America?  While this comment is pointed at me, I have to wonder why anyone would think this.  One can say, "Well, it is the Internet after all", but so?  If it wasn't what someone was thinking, then why would they write it, for giggles?  One could say maybe it was a faux message to make conservatives look bad.  But, read the other posts in the thread.  They are still the same.


Having the unemployed commit suicide is not a conservative point of view. Conservatives want to minimize government. If they paid less taxes paying programs, they could take less taxes from companies which translates into companies hiring more employees, thus reducing the unemployment rates.


Also, I wouldn't limit the idea to Americans, but I would limit it to a very small number of people.

Also, it's a weird statement since it's difficult to define what is considered to be unemployed. Retired folks? Youth? Those inbetween jobs?


I think it's an internet joke anyway.



d21lewis on 23 November 2010

Well, my mom worked foor a company sine 1978 and they recently closed down.  She's unemployed and I've grown rather fond of her cooking.....so, no.



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izaaz101 on 23 November 2010

Don't pay attention to any of those people. 93% of things on the internet are crap. Or porn. Or crappy porn. Or porn that contains crap.

I hope you get away from your parents and find a job soon. Are there any other friends, or relatives you could live with in the meantime, or anything like that?



richardhutnik on 23 November 2010
izaaz101 said:

Don't pay attention to any of those people. 93% of things on the internet are crap. Or porn. Or crappy porn. Or porn that contains crap.

I hope you get away from your parents and find a job soon. Are there any other friends, or relatives you could live with in the meantime, or anything like that?

Nope.  There aren't anyone.  It still wouldn't fix things either.  I would just be leeching off someone else.  What the Internet shows is the worst of the nature of people.   Looks like I am going to have to hit some major things to get some breaks going.  For me, even the most ordinary has been extra difficult.  Yet, I was able to get a Masters degree.  Go figure.

Another reason why I don't want to dismiss this as "just the Internet" is these thoughts manifested ARE part of the minds of some people out there and affect who gets elected.  Best to get ti exposed than have it buried.  You want people to go on record one way or another, and maybe after the dust clears, get people actual talking about things.  Because of this, I DO pay attention.



Chairman-Mao on 23 November 2010

Even if all the bums..i mean unemployed...killed themselves it wouldn't lower taxes. Governments would keep tax the same and keep the extra as surplus.

In Canada income tax was put in during the First World War as a way to raise money for the war and it was supposed to be taken out after the war finished...well 100 years later and we still pay income tax.



O-D-C on 23 November 2010
Chairman-Mao said:

Even if all the bums..i mean unemployed...killed themselves it wouldn't lower taxes. Governments would keep tax the same and keep the extra as surplus.

In Canada income tax was put in during the First World War as a way to raise money for the war and it was supposed to be taken out after the war finished...well 100 years later and we still pay income tax.


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