OK, I think I'll

Unvote : Radishhead

As linkz pointed out, its possible that its horrible play. But if he is mafia, and has managed to slip up this much in one day, he is bound to slip up more. I'm still OK with lynching him today, but I think its best that we address some of the other concerns that have been raised in this thread.....starting with, Kantor -

Kantor shows up 130 posts late to the thread and announces that he has been having PC problems, and goes off to read the posts.

I remember someone calling out for me, asking me why I believe Kantor's PC problem is legitimate, yet I attacked Homer when he said he was sick a while back. 

Homer had acted pretty damn scummy in that game where he was supposedly sick. He also got a "friend" to post about his sickness...and that friend stayed on VGC for 2 hours to answer a post that was directed at him, and popped up to announce that his friend, Homer would be coming back soon when he was being suspected...so yeah.

I don't necessarily believe Kantor, as it could just be an excuse. But we're gonna have to take his word on that one... I would've taken Homer's word too, if it weren't so fucking suspicious..

He said "somewhat" so I'm not sure how far he got along....but its interesting to see that he hadn't reached the whole clusterfuck about radish just yet.

What he is saying is "somewhat" true though...there was a huge debate about day one lynching and its effect on the end game and all that shit...but the %s weren't exactly made up...they had some though behind them I think.

This is pretty much the same as the previous post.

What kantor is saying is believable. Asked him whether Kantor had finished reading, and Kantor replied to that. It just so happened that it was moments after prof FoS'd him.

However, there is a gap of atleast 30 posts between the "Have you finished reading, biatch !" to the the "FoS - youuu" post.

Kantor bitches about his internet and retaliates on a vote with another vote...WTF is this shit ?

I guess this is when the alarm bells started ringing cause its a bandwagon vote. Maybe he voted simply to put pressure on radish ? Maybe he wants to lynch radish ?

Also note that Kantor is usually very conservative with his votes, however, in this game, he voted prof just to get back on him and now he has bandwagoned on radish. Whats with the change in play style, eh ?

It may be a case of mafia trying to accelerate a mislynch, a mafia member lynching another just to seem innocent, or a lazy ass townie.

1. 7 bandwagons ? Fucking exaggeration.

2. No one was one L3 when he was FoS'd :/ For it to be so, radish would've had to have 6 votes on him. He had nowhere near 6 at that time.

3. He jumped on a bandwagon because it had widespread support ? ooook...

Does that mean you're free to do the same thing here ?  I know radish sounds suspicious...he is my primary lynch candidate so far...but you shouldn't vote for him , or anyone for that matter, w/o a legitimate reason why you believe he is anti-town. If you're town that is. Cause people might interpret you as scummy if you are lazy to give reasons..

He did ask you why you voted radish the way you did though...but by this time, you've said because its the only bandwagon that had enough support.

Don't you wish it was that simple ?

Kantor points out that he voted for prof because he voted for him, and not for FoSing him.

Then kantor does a forum destroying post

Has he done so yet ? I guess I'll find out soon as I get to the rest of his posts.

Then kantor comments on how he destroyed the thread.

The only "bandwagon" I see is how dsister voted for Trucks cause he's Canadian and noname voted for Trucks, but for he is scum most of the time (which I don't know whether it was a joke vote or not ?)

Nothing  much interesting here..

Kantor's next post is about spamming until we reach a new page cause the thread was broken at the time.

Kantor voted to lynch radish when he was on L3...he definitely wasn't leading anything. Again, he votes on someone who voted him.

Then Kantor comments on how he could've edited the post that broke the thread if it was allowed and thanks dunno...

I actually agree :/ Homer was being irrational.

So in conclusion, Kantor has been acting somewhat out of character.

Analysis of theprof, final-fan, homer and noname are incoming...when I have time.

for whome?

for gow it was that he was so ready to just have us lynch

for prof it was that he was so eager to prove that a day one mislynch doesn't matter

and for radish it was saying he never lynches first day.  it came across as "see I'm a townie because I always vote like a townie" which to me means more than the fact that that wasn't how he always voted.  Were he play the game that way and say it that way every time then it would just bother me for playing as a way that always tries to say back a bit.  The fact that he hasn't always been against a day one lynch means that he was lying to us to have a less thretening interpretation of him. 

I replied to homer you should read it too and the name is I do not know backwards but wonk works just fine

I'm going to steal this from linkz for now.

This post will be entitled "potals" for Post totals.

POTALS!

FYI: these names are listed according to appearance.

cont=contirbutions
gray=gray area posts. Not exactly a contribution, not exactly blather, somewhere in between.
NonCon= non contributions. These are jokes, or introductions.
Mistakes= these are generally failures of logic. For example, nord called gow out for saying something similar to a mafia who outed themselves in another game on day one. However, I believe that his thought was a complete misunderstanding. someone accused gow of being scummy and gow said "thank you". Gow WANTS to be scummy, because that means he isn't going to get killed.
poslip= possible slips. Nothing huge. simple possibility.

Top:

highests:

contributions: theprof (38), noname (17), dtewi (11), gow (11)
gray area posts: radish (21), prof (20), dtewi (6)
non-contributions: prof (13), radish (11), heph (10)
posts: prof(73), radish (40), heph (25), noname (24)

ratios:

Highest contribution ratio:  Vette (77%), noname (71%), dtewi (61%)
Lowest: rad (13%), kantor (14%), ff (17%),

lowest  gray ratio: (lower is better): dsis/gow/mg (0%), homer/vette (8%), link (9%)
highest: radish (53%), dtewi (33%), ff (28%), prof (27%)

Lowest NonCon ratio: Vette (0%), nord (8%), stefl (14%)
Highest: Mg (50%) , Heph (44%), kantor/dsis (43%)

Ok, now for the slips and other noteworthy occurences:

In order of possible slip:

Final-Fan:I found this interesting. He made a vote on GoW,but then only Fos'ed Radish. That seemed strange to me.

additionally there's this:

As careful as FF seems to think he's been playing, this is a pretty bad bumble in logic. I wouldn't consider this a slip, but a pretty bad mistake.

Heph: When I was attacking Kantor, he said "@proff, unfortunately, there isn't much to presure kantor on so far. Engaging in a confrontation with him will probably yield a rather steril debate as I did with gow. Might get you to have a read on him, but you're also waisting your ammo by letting others slack down in the mean time. I'll grant you however that he is currently the lurking force in the game... and going from last game, you're right to be on his tail."

Additionally,there's this:

seems pretty scummy to me all around. I'll get back to Heph later when I move onto my suspicions list.

Nordlead: also answered something not about him.

Again, I wasn't saying nord's vote was baseless. I was saying Kantor's was. So he defends his vote, and then by proxy it somehow carries onto the credibility of Kantor's vote? Not sure what happened here. slim possibility of a slip.

Truck:

Although, I hold the least amount of merit in this "slip", when I read it, I thought that he might've been subtley pointing himself out as to seem like he wasn't avoiding it. It felt like a pressured post...forced..you could call it. Again, this is barely a blip. This is, to repeat myself again, a possible slip...not an actual one.

Kantor:

I don't like that post at all. The game is about contributing and FINDING evidence. Not bandwagoning on the best baseless bandwagon.

Ok, now for suspect/trusted list:

First, the trusted:

GoW: It really looks like he's excited for this game and wants to start off with a bang. He mentions how great the reward would be if they lynched a mafia, and he seems genuinely excited. It also looks like he's really trying hard.

I consider Gow about 75% townie, for now

Dsis:

This simply does not seem like something a mafia would say. Take into account that this is day 1. This is a strong townie day, why? Because scum haven't had the chance to meet and plan yet. If dsis were mafia, he would be putting a lot of his fellow mafia at risk. I consider dsis about 60% chance of town for now.

dtewi:

dtewi has not been acting like he usually does as mafia. He seems very proactive, seems to be pushing a strategy of bandwagon following, and has made many great points about a great many subjects. However, the fact that he pushed so hard for radish, where radish was at L-1 and almost got hammered without dtewi removing his vote is a detriment to all the good play. 45% for dtewi for now

suspects:

Heph: has made virtually no contributions yet. ITT (in this thread) he has made more jokes and talked with people who aren't playing, than actual contributions. Very strange considering his usual input. Additionally, when he was arguing with gow early in the game, he made a huge turnaround almost immediately and was basically like "now that I think about it, you're absolutely right" etc etc. But gow pursued him and kept arguing. It looked,...to me.. like he was trying to get out of the argument for the exposure it might create, but then changed his mind after that, because he kept arguing with gow, and they traded barbs.

(Keep in mind that this lowered my trust of gow as well. GoW did this insulting kind of back and forth with me during our mafia stint together).

Also, Heph said something like, "I said I would stop talking so much last game, and in the intro to this game". Using other posts from other threads as justification seems scummy to me. If he is contributing less, it doesn't matter how he said he would act. It's out of character.

Kantor: Knows that he is on a baseless bandwagon and yet lacks the motivation to find a better target. Additionally, he refuses to unvote, knowing that he could be wrong. Additionally, he's been avoiding the accusations put against him, and has made some contradicting, or at least, indirect posts. For example, later in the thread he called my earlier FoS of him "silly", and explained how it didn't bother him at all etc etc. However, looking back at the FoS portion of the thread, I voted him on the next post, wherein he exploded and voted me in return. If he really didn't think anything of my FoS, then where did this explosion come from? You all know my opinion of Kantor's game so far, so I won't continue on this.

Radish: Of course, everyone knows why by now. Extremely suspicious.

Radish, I'm going to take this time to point something out to you. One of the most suspicious parts of your gameplay is that....looking through your posts....it's VERY hard to tell what is a contribution and what is a non-contribution. Out of all the players, your posts fall in the gray area more than anyone else, in my opinion. Most of it is just banter really. No real arguments. One sentence answers. Very superficial presence to be honest. So, you are still a good candidate for a lynch. Sorry.

ToS: Not much input into the game. There is some good stuff, but it's very shallow most of the time, arguing about logistics and so forth.

FF: Pretty much same as ToS

-No reads-

No real reads on linkz or mg or nord. Although nord is leaning towards suspect.

Sorry for the long post guys. I'm gunna hang out a bit and lurk before going to bed.

Also, the countdown timer says we have 1 day and 6 hours remaining...just wanna see if its universal, or if its based on the time on your PC.

final post before I go to bed.

I'm leaning towards nord, kantor, and heph as mafia, with possibles on truck and ff as well.

Good job picking that up!

the timer is  Eastern Time (US & Canada). It's actually a day and 16 hours for those outside that time zone.

~40 hours remaing from the time this is posted.

I meant that in reference to " Although I have other susspicions; at this hour mob mentality seems much easier." 

You mentioned other suspicions but gave no hint as to who was suspected or why.  That is what I was wondering about.  Is the above the full answer to that question? 

the others were prof and gow for the reasons I mentioned above

edit fixed a typo and thought I'd add that the prof also now rates gow as 75% townie so now I think even more so they could both be scum.  Was leaning on the side of one sk one mafia now I'm just thinking both mafia. 

In the first post, I thought I explained that completely adequately with the comment "I need to think about this".  IIRC, I went AFK for several hours and didn't want a hasty vote just lying around out there.  In any case, I unvoted, but didn't vote despite radish's scumminess because, as I explicitly told you, I wanted to think it over before acting. 

In the second post, just because you say you would never be caught dead defending fellow scum doesn't mean I have to take your word for it -- not that you had even said that yet in this thread IIRC.  Am I not allowed to even think that about you?  Can I not be mistaken about your psychology? 

Hell, it could be an advanced gambit on your part where you defend your fellow scum because you 'would never be dumb enough' to so blatantly defend your fellow scum.  It's just the sort of gambit I'd expect from you, though in your defense it's rampant speculation that I just thought of this second to say hypothetically ... even though now that I've done so it makes a surprising amount of sense