It makes me wonder if Nintendo ought to follow the Apple strategy like Pachter said. I.E. Release Wii, Wii with HDMI and more storage and then Wii with the above and motion plus enabled controller built in. Its not like it hasn't been proved effective for the DS range where we have DS, DS lite, DSi, DSi XL and 3DS following the same form factor and a similar path of evolution.

I did, what do you mean, you even responded to it... :s

 You're either seriously misinformed or a terrible liar. MS reports shipped figures, so they've never reported sales numbers higher than shipped figures, that is absurd, it is in itself a contradiction, I cannot believe you can't see it. RROD units are replaced and not counted as another sale at all, doing so would violate GAAP and MS would liable to investors. Replaced units are a depreciation expense that in no way goes to shipped figures or sales. 

 I hope you're joking with the Gamespot poll.

replaced units at retail under warranty don't count as a unit sold...It registers as an exchange, which is very different. the old systems are sent back to Microsoft. Also most of the RROD repairs are refurbished consoles, not new ones. If you really think so much of the 360 userbase is from repurchases then 360 has the highest attach rate in history by FAR. 

Ugh, I was kinda hoping those NPD numbers remained classified. I didn't really want to know the Wii numbers for October..

I've read that microsoft doesn't count the fixed 360s as sales correct?

PS3 could actually start trending ahead of PS2 in the same timeframe next year with a price cut (a $100 cut would guarantee it although I think $50 is more likely). And PS3 in October was only down on last year by 22% and that was with Uncharted 2 launching that month. With GT5 I think it shouldn't have too much trouble topping last November. Who knows how things will play out with the Wii this holiday. In terms of YOY performance it could range from either horrendously bad to only slightly bad.

The thing is, Microsoft has gotten in trouble many times for the numbers they claim to investors. There's been times where they claim a number, then backpeddle and say "We were counting replaced systems as well." there are other times where they say "We were counting shipped units as sold units." this happens all the time.

It's not as bad as Sony saying "We've outsold everyone in our class!" then when he's called on it, he says "Well those other systems aren't in the same class as us, we're higher end." They fired that guy.

And as for being serious about the poll, as a consumer who has purchased 6 X-Box 360's, 3 of which have failed, 2 of which can't fail cause they're the new design, and 2 of the 3 which failed have been replaced, and 1 failed again, yes. I believe 50% of the systems fail.

Can you quote us where microsoft ever made this claim?

You keep talking nonsense. When you send an xbox to microsoft for repair, you get a replacement and your xbox get repaired. It's not destroyed. Someone else will get that machine as substitution unit. The total number of xbox serials doesn't chage. The number microsoft reports is the numer of the systems that are in circulation. Beside as someone else said, they can't fuck up their account statement. You can see the cost of repairing the consoles in the gaming division losses for 2007, they disappear from 2008 onwards (falcon revision). There aren't that many xbox repaired anymore.

Time for Wii 2.  Get on it Iwata.