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Killiana1a on 12 November 2010
nordlead said:
c0rd said:

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I actually don't understand what your point is here, could you clarify?

He means there have been one to many Call of Duty's, Halo's, Metal Gear Solid's, and Grand Theft Auto's that still set records, but they get beat by the Mario's, Zelda's, and Wii games that sell even more and he wants Nintendo to stop so they can have a chance.

Anyways, I agree with the dissenters for most of the reasons they posted. While Nintendo does need to improve online, get more 3rd parties, and a few other things, none of those stopped them this generation. Nintendo is well aware of their weaknesses, while I don't know if Microsoft and Sony are. Nintendo will address those weaknesses (they have already admitted to them and stated they are trying to fix them) and come out with a better console with the N6.

"Wii games" is a very large category in comparison to "COD, Halo, MGS, and GTA." Unfair comparison especially when you throw Wii Play and Wii Fit in the mix.

I agree none of their weaknesses have stopped them this generation. Nintendo focused on a broader market, introduced a never before done gimmick control system (Microsoft is taking gimmicky to the next level with Kinect), and profited.

I am focusing on the future here. If people want to drag up the past, then anything is fair game including the N64 and Gamecube, which people have seem to forgotten about in wake of the success of Wii this gen. However, I don't want to bicker.

I agree to disagree, but my prediction for the next gen has been made. I can't take it back.



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Khuutra on 12 November 2010

So you want to make a shot in the dark rather than even waiting to see the console in question?



nordlead on 12 November 2010
Killiana1a said:

There is no going back to the NES days where games were light on the story, characters did not talk, and it as mainly 2D. Technology has changed, 3D graphics have been around 14 years, stories have gotten more complex, and players invest more of themselves in games than just a mindless, fun activity of getting from the start of the level to the end.  The gaming developers in both Japan and the West will never lower themselves to NES standards because they see a heavily produced Hollywood-esque series like Modern Warfare 2 and Black Ops setting records.

Zelda worked back in the 1980s, Modern Warfare 2 set records in 2009, and Black Ops has set records in 2010. Times have changed and people need to change with the times.

NSMB & NSMBWii would like to say high. Which both have set records that pretty much any game would love to come close to. Wait, let me also throw in Wii Fit, Wii Sports Resort, Brain Age. All of which fit your description of "mindless fun" yet all blow away almost all of the "hollywood-esque" games in total sales and definitly beat them all in total profit.




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Khuutra on 12 November 2010
nordlead said:
Killiana1a said:

There is no going back to the NES days where games were light on the story, characters did not talk, and it as mainly 2D. Technology has changed, 3D graphics have been around 14 years, stories have gotten more complex, and players invest more of themselves in games than just a mindless, fun activity of getting from the start of the level to the end.  The gaming developers in both Japan and the West will never lower themselves to NES standards because they see a heavily produced Hollywood-esque series like Modern Warfare 2 and Black Ops setting records.

Zelda worked back in the 1980s, Modern Warfare 2 set records in 2009, and Black Ops has set records in 2010. Times have changed and people need to change with the times.

NSMB & NSMBWii would like to say high. Which both have set records that pretty much any game would love to come close to. Wait, let me also throw in Wii Fit, Wii Sports Resort, Brain Age. All of which fit your description of "mindless fun" yet all blow away almost all of the "hollywood-esque" games in total sales and definitly beat them all in total profit.

I would like to interject here and say that Killiana1a's argument in this respect is the worst argument made in the whole topic.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=111169

I mean really.



HappySqurriel on 12 November 2010

No successor to the market leading console has not been the market leading console unless it launched 18 months after another console in its generation, or launched for $500 or more. Neither seems like a mistake Nintendo will make ...



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ClaudeLv250 on 12 November 2010
Killiana1a said:

5.6 million people world wide who bought Black Ops on it first day beg to differ that Nintendo brings them the experience the desire most.

Just think about that for a moment, 5.6 million copies sold in a single day for a non-bundled game that was not marketed at all for Grandma or Auntie. Sure a heavily bundled game like Wii Play will sell 20 million over a 2 year span, but could you say the same on it's launch day or if it was not bundled?

The 3DS is a single use device. A cellphone is a multi-use device(calls, internet, games, pictures and video) and if you have kept up on the latest in cellphone games, they have Street Fighter 4 for the iPhone and iPad with comparable graphics to the PS3 and 360. A major 1 for the cellphone industry right there.

As for 3D, ehh. I never liked gimmicks anyways.

You have to be a joke account doing a poor impersonation of rol or a relic of 2008 VGChartz where a lot of people made wordy posts but didn't put a whole lot of thought behind them.

Believe it or not, Black Ops is on the Wii too so this idea that Nintendo "lost" because a 3rd party dared to make money off of a game is hilariously misguided. I'm not even sure what your point is other than other than some lingering angst about Wii Play's massive sales. What next, Mario Kart only sold because it was bundled with a wheel? People much less literate than you are have lobbed similar arguments and were completely destroyed. This isn't anything new.

3DS is not a "single use" device. Anyone that actually knows what it does wouldn't have said something so blatantly false. It does games, internet, pictures, movies, and probably music too. So you either did not do the research and have no business commenting on the subject, or are feigning ignorance just for attention. Neither situation is really helping you here.

Next time you play Street Fighter 4 on the iPhone, you might not want to wear beer goggles that make you think sprites and poor backgrounds are "comparable" to the HD version.



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scottie on 12 November 2010

That's it, I am out of this thread. I will accept that the original post was full of legitimate points, which, while not guarenteed to occur, as presented by that post, are certainly issues that Nintendo should address to push their next console.

 

However, in his posts since, kilianaia has just presented himself as a Wii troll, who will not listen to anything we write. When you have reached the stage of simply calling everything Nintendo does a gimmick, you might as well just stop posting.

 

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Killiana1a on 12 November 2010
Khuutra said:

So you want to make a shot in the dark rather than even waiting to see the console in question?

Why not? Nintendo fans are predicting the world-wide domination of Nintendo with the 3DS. I figured I might as well bite back because all this Nintendo koombyeyah with the Wii, while conveniently forgetting about the N64 and Gamecube has me feeling pretty brave and in a Devil's Advocate type of mood.

Responses are as expected. Some ad hominem, a few completely tearing apart my argument, and many just plain referencing the Wii as if the next Nintendo console will follow the same exact success lines of the Wii. Some unexpected, some expected and all original. I appreciate the feedback positive or negative.

I might look stupid in a few years or others may not want to see me come around crowing when I am right. I figure it is a 50/50 shot at this point and I am confident looking at the 2009 and 2010 numbers for Nintendo in comparison to 2008 and earlier.

Expectations in 2010 are a lot different than they were in 2006. By the time the next generation arrives, it is possible that all which made the Wii successful will become so commonplace between Move, Kinect and Wii that Nintendo may not even know how to find another Blue Pond if they decide the Blue Ocean is crowded with Sony and Microsoft.

Furthermore, I have a strong enough ego to be wrong and come again. I have been wrong many times before, I will be wrong many times again. Everyone fails, but it is how you respond to failure which determines your character.

I hope I am wrong in this case, but I will sit back and smile smugly if I am right. Time will tell.



Shonen on 12 November 2010
Killiana1a said:
Shonen said:
Killiana1a said:
Shonen said:

Dude this article of yours has so many flaws....

1-Nintendo created a blue ocean once, they can do it again.

2-Casual players and non-gamers before the Wii all ready has a concept in their minds now that says "Nintendo is fun"

3-With the support that the 3DS is getting there is no reason so that the Wii2 would not get the same support.

4-Nintendo main on-line plan will come up with the 3DS and will be fully effective on the Wii2

5-Iwata pretty much can make anything print money (A balance board for example)

Nintendo is not some God company with a hidden secret to recreating US dollar mint presses. They got lucky with the Wii mainly due to abandoning the "core" gamer and focusing on the mothers and sisters with a gimmick, never done before control scheme to get them hooked. If this is the secret then Microsoft just one upped then with Kinect's revolutionary no controller device.

As for the 3DS, I will not pay more than $150 for a handheld. Last time I bought a handheld was in 2004, the Gameboy Advance, and I put less time on it that year than on my PS2.

Likewise, why would I plug $250 on a 3DS when I can pay at max $200 for an entry level iPhone and play games, take pictures, record video, and check the Internet? I value multiple uses for a piece of hardware over $200, Nintendo is not doing it with the 3DS.


There is one key point that many people overlook, Nintendo's recent domination with the Wii and DS just become real after a man named Satoru Iwata become the president, and for me he is the number one person in the industry and whiles he is at the command in nintendo with the help of Miyamoto & Co. i must say Nintendo is like a God company with the hidden secret to fell what people want and the moment when they want, and again its not the controllers or lack of it its the experience that u will get from the software that will make a difference and nintendo makes better games than anyone will do.

 

As for the 3DS a few words for u - GLASS FREE 3D - also, sorry but can the iphone 4 plays Avatar in glass free 3d ? can it play Resident Evils relevations ? can it takes 3d photos ? can it plays Resident evil revelations ? Dude IPHONE 4 DOES NOT HAVE BUTTONS (i rather buy a nexus 2)

5.6 million people world wide who bought Black Ops on it first day beg to differ that Nintendo brings them the experience the desire most.

Just think about that for a moment, 5.6 million copies sold in a single day for a non-bundled game that was not marketed at all for Grandma or Auntie. Sure a heavily bundled game like Wii Play will sell 20 million over a 2 year span, but could you say the same on it's launch day or if it was not bundled?

The 3DS is a single use device. A cellphone is a multi-use device(calls, internet, games, pictures and video) and if you have kept up on the latest in cellphone games, they have Street Fighter 4 for the iPhone and iPad with comparable graphics to the PS3 and 360. A major 1 for the cellphone industry right there.

As for 3D, ehh. I never liked gimmicks anyways.

erhm, 3DS is also a multi-use device, it plays 3d movies, displays 3d photos, takes 3d photos, it has a browser and can make voice chat over IP, and it plays SF4 with buttons a analog and touch screen and did i mention the on-line play and local ? or the is 3d ?



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HappySqurriel on 12 November 2010
Killiana1a said:
Khuutra said:

So you want to make a shot in the dark rather than even waiting to see the console in question?

Why not? Nintendo fans are predicting the world-wide domination of Nintendo with the 3DS. I figured I might as well bite back because all this Nintendo koombyeyah with the Wii, while conveniently forgetting about the N64 and Gamecube has me feeling pretty brave and in a Devil's Advocate type of mood.

Responses are as expected. Some ad hominem, a few completely tearing apart my argument, and many just plain referencing the Wii as if the next Nintendo console will follow the same exact success lines of the Wii. Some unexpected, some expected and all original. I appreciate the feedback positive or negative.

I might look stupid in a few years or others may not want to see me come around crowing when I am right. I figure it is a 50/50 shot at this point and I am confident looking at the 2009 and 2010 numbers for Nintendo in comparison to 2008 and earlier.

Expectations in 2010 are a lot different than they were in 2006. By the time the next generation arrives, it is possible that all which made the Wii successful will become so commonplace between Move, Kinect and Wii that Nintendo may not even know how to find another Blue Pond if they decide the Blue Ocean is crowded with Sony and Microsoft.

Furthermore, I have a strong enough ego to be wrong and come again. I have been wrong many times before, I will be wrong many times again. Everyone fails, but it is how you respond to failure which determines your character.

I hope I am wrong in this case, but I will sit back and smile smugly if I am right. Time will tell.

What you don't seem to be willing to see is that success tends to lead to greater success in this market ...

With how well the Wii has sold this generation (along with the success of the Nintendo DS and the 'hype' around the 3DS) as soon as Nintendo approaches major third party publishers with information about their next generation console they will begin working on games for it; and the will probably devoted some of their better teams, with popular franchises, and adequate resources to complete these projects. With more, higher quality and better known games third party publishers will see far greater success than they did on the Wii; and it is likely that this will result in a greater focus on this system.

If Nintendo releases the system before their competition it is likely that they will get ports of all major games being released to HD consoles today, and a significant number of games which are effectively exclusive or timed exclusive simply because there isn't a competition system to port them to; and by the time their competition arrives on the market, Nintendo's system can be significantly less expensive, with a larger more interesting library, and the full support of third party publishers.