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Umos-Cmos said:
Killiana1a said:
Umos-Cmos said:
Killiana1a said:

As a California native (NorCal), I am a Lakers and Trailblazers fan (due to a decade living in Oregon).

Well, Sam Bowie 2 AKA Greg Oden is out again for the year...Oregon reaction from the blazersedge website is a mix of apathy, denial, and relief. Greg Oden outside of basketball is the nicest, nerdiest guy you would ever find. That being said, Oden is a bust and Portland is holding onto him as a restricted free agent in an effort for a potential super deal possibly involving Oden and Brandon Roy for Chris Paul or another elite PG, which is the position that has always been the achilles heel of the Trailblazers in the playoffs.

Even if Portland makes ito the playoffs, I don't see them getting out of the first round. They have a great core in LaMarcus Aldridge, Andre Miller, and Nicholas Batum, but their offense with Brandon Roy involved is pass Roy the ball, while every Trailblazer on the court watches his iso plays. Having followed the Trailblazers, Roy was an all-star, elite top 5 player back in 2007, but now he is a hindrance to the development of the team. The offense is built around Roy with too many iso plays and not enough off the ball movement.

The Lakers are looking better than last year. Steve Blake fits in perfectly in the triangle offense because he is not as pressured to be an outside 3 point threat as he was when he was in Portland. Matt Barnes like Ron Artest was picked up for his defense in the playoffs. I don't expect Matt Barnes to score 20 to 30 every night, but I do expect him to punk and shut down other players, flagrantly if need be.

I don't think anyone in the West will pose much of a challenge to the Lakers. The Thunder and Rockets are the only teams who can if they get hot. The Jazz are the same ole Sloan-style Jazz where they have all the right pieces, but way too much predictability.

The East is a crapshoot between Boston, Orlando and Miami. I predict Boston to go all the way to Finals unless Pierce, Garnett, or Allen has a late season injury. Orlando doesn't have enough consistency from Rashard Lewis, Mickael Pietrus or Jameer Nelson, but they can beat anybody if all click at the same time. Miami is not to be underestimated, yet I just don't see them overcoming either Boston or Orlando due to LeBron James' tendency to take over ball games and try to score 80.

If Bynum is healthy come playoff time, no team can stand a chance. Boston likes to remind us Lakers fans that Kendrick Perkins was injured in Game 7 last year, well the same can be said for Bynum the entire playoffs. If Bynum is 80% or better, the Lakers 3-peat.

My personal feeling for Oden is apathy.  It just didn't work, time to move on.

You think the Rockets can challenge LA?  I think there is a possibility the Rockets don't even make the post season.  The Thunder could challenge, and if the stars aligned maybe Utah, though I don't see anyone really being a legitimate threat to LA come playoff time.  I think at the end of this year people may start having conversations about where this team ranks on the all time Laker list.  They are THAT talented.

I'm not sure what you mean by Utah being too predictable though.  Are you implying that the Jazz have run the "Flex" offense for over 20 years with Sloan?  While that is true, the very nature of the Flex makes it tough to defend.  There are some great breakdowns on the internet about how it works (as well as Phil Jackson's Triangle Offense).  You should check them out if you love basketball.  Fascinating reads.  Why do you think Utah is usually around the top of the league in FG%?  They get good looks and layups.  You could say the same thing about the "Triangle" that Phil Jackson has run forever.  It's predictable as far as yeah, you know they are going to run it, but that doesn't mean each offensive set ends in the same play.  Jackson has been great at getting the players he needs to run the system correctly and that is one of the main reason he has so many freaking rings.  Also he's had Michael Jordan, Kobe, and Shaq to thank as well. (-:

I've played basketball most my life (still do) and love the nuts and bolts side of the game.  Seeing a great back pick, or a fantastic read on defense to "help and recover", or watching guys with great court awareness so that they are in the right spots at the right time gets me excited.  I think that's why I prefer the NBA game to the College game.  The NBA guys are so much more talented and it's a more physical style of ball.

The one thing I dislike, however, is that the league is built around stars.  Now before I get flamed for what I'm about to say, I don't mean that the NFL and MLB (or any professional sport)  don't have stars, or even that people don't come out just to watch their stars.  What I mean is that the NBA is the only league where stars get blatant "star treatment."  They get calls based on their name.  I don't see that in MLB or NFL.  Maybe it's just the nature of the game that lends itself to this problem.  Basketball calls are much harder to determine and there is more "gray" area than the two aforementioned sports.  The refs have a far greater impact on determining the outcome of a game.  I'm not claiming there is a small market conspiracy or anything (that's a joke theory) but that it dampens the excitment when a defender isn't allowed to get physical with a star because he's a star.

Sorry my post was so long.  End Rant.

I am not going to flame you for pointing out the obvious. Basketball teams unlike Baseball and Football have smaller rosters where playing together and chemistry is key to win. Hell, I would go further and state that unless you have 2 bonafide all-stars on a team, your team is not going to make a long run in the playoffs.

The exception was the Detroit Pistons when they won a title back in 2003 or 2004 I believe. Detroit after acquiring Rasheed Wallace from Portland had another all-star to back up Chauncy Billups. As for Richard Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince, right now they would be 2nd unit guys on the Celtics or the Lakers.

You are right on the predictability part. Basketball unlike Football is not a game where the coach can play calls on every offensive possession. Coupled with ingame and game-to-game adjustments in the opposing team's defense, offenses will break down and at that point it really matters to have a Kobe, LeBron, Deron Williams, or Dwyane Wade caliber player to put up points.

As for refs having the most impact in basketball, Roethlisberger and the Steelers when they won Super Bowls would beg to differ. In each of Roethlisberger's TD rushes, I did not see the ball break the plane yet the refs called them touch downs. So when it comes to points and spotting of the ball, refs have a huge impact in football.

As for basketball, the way I see the refs calling the game is along the lines of the flow of the game. If your star(s) on your team and/or crucial players get 2 quick fouls in the first half, then their game gets disrupted to the advantage of the other team. Also, with zone defense allowed since 2001 I have noticed teams packing the paint with easy 3 second paint violation calls, but for some reason they rarely get called on it?

Zone defense and phantom foul calls are my biggest beefs. The Miami Heat in 2006 won the Finals because Dwyane Wade shot more free throws in the entire finals than the entire Dallas Mavericks team. Furthermore, in Game 5 he attempted more free throws than the entire Dallas Mavericks team.

If the NBA gets rid of zone defense and goes back to man-to-man, hand check defense Ala Jordan years, the game would flow much better without players like Kobe, LeBron and D-Wade getting foul shots on obvious non fouls.

I agree that the Steelers were the benefactors of more than one bad call, but that's not the point I was trying to make.  They didn't get those calls just because it was Ben Roethlisberger, they were just bad calls imo.  It's different in the NBA where Kobe or Lebron or any superstar might get a touch call where a guy like Trevor Ariza would get a no call.

I agree about changing the defensive rules back to the way they used to be.  No hand check is a joke.  That's why people can get into the paint so much easier these days.  Also, I miss there being guys in the NBA that could actually play with their backs to the basket.  Those type of players are becoming scarce.  I guess is it isn't as glamorous as the face up game.

A good post game with great footwork takes longer to develop than a 1980s Lakers "showtime" style of play where it is all about athleticism, break aways, and dunks. This is why I don't watch any streetcourt games from NYC. It is an unintelligible dunkfest with 5 steps on every layup or dunk.

In my opinion, the best post player ever, Hakeem Olajuwon spent close to a full 4 years in college developing his game. Shaquille O'Neal spent two years. Nowadays, big men like Greg Oden spend 1 year and get drafted. Don't get me started on Hasheem Thabeet. 8 years in college for Thabeet couldn't put him at the level Shaq or Olajuwon were in their first year of college.

As for the "face up game," I blame Allen Iverson for this. It is rare to find a kid playing basketball on the street who wants to develop into a John Stockton or Jason Kidd style point guard. Instead, they want to be like Mike and A.I., which is odd because they don't have the height of Jordan and anyone who shoots 20 to 30 times a game will put up more than 10 points.



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I´m a huge fan of Vince Carter (Jordan´s too), therefore I support the Orlando Magic. Which is, since 3 years ago a great team. Also I don´t like the Lakers at all, Kobe plays really good, but I like to see when the lakers lose.



NYANKS said:

Wow, this thread is more serious than I expected.  Cool!  Not a huge basketball fan, but I was keeping track of the score to todays Heat game. What the heck happened, the Grizzlies seem to stink based on their record.  O_o

Every team wants to beat the heat...

and the heat haven't established their identity yet.

I haven't seen any stats on it yet, but you look at heat games... and it looks like they play better when Lebron or Wade is sitting on the bench, and the other can play all out.

They need to work out their flow.



As for the Celtics losing to a durantless OKC.

 

Welcome to the Celtics.  The whole "The heat are the best team ever" motivated the celts for a while but lets be honest.


The Big teams don't care until the playoffs... they care just enough to play good enough to get a 1 seed, and wait until the playoffs because the NBA season is too long, and over half the teams make it into the playoffs.



I can agree with that, and definitely 82 games is far too much for a team to really give 100% in each and every game, but losing these kind of games is what'll make us play game 7 in the Staples Center again....




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Would it be fair to say the Lakers are favorites again? 



NYANKS said:

Would it be fair to say the Lakers are favorites again? 


NAhh.

Healthy Cletics they wont beat. 

ALso Heat are still getting their shit together, if they were to meet in the finals i dont see LA beating them.



Blue3 said:
NYANKS said:

Would it be fair to say the Lakers are favorites again? 


NAhh.

Healthy Cletics they wont beat. 

ALso Heat are still getting their shit together, if they were to meet in the finals i dont see LA beating them.

You a Celtics fan?  lol Didn't they get beat by the Lakers last season?  They have to be the favorites by default unless the lakers got crappoer and the celtics got better.  And the Heat, they have to work on some things by the look of it.



NYANKS said:
Blue3 said:
NYANKS said:

Would it be fair to say the Lakers are favorites again? 


NAhh.

Healthy Cletics they wont beat. 

ALso Heat are still getting their shit together, if they were to meet in the finals i dont see LA beating them.

You a Celtics fan?  lol Didn't they get beat by the Lakers last season?  They have to be the favorites by default unless the lakers got crappoer and the celtics got better.  And the Heat, they have to work on some things by the look of it.


Healthy bud, LA lucked out with Perkins getting injured and missing game 7.   Only reason they won.

Of course Heat have a hell of a lot of work to do, but they got the talent and im guessing them in the playoffs will be a much harder team to pay agianst then reg season. 



I still believe in you miami heat. lol