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If you must know my suspects they are...

1. The lengendary lurker, Gurgle, the reason, well he lurked the entire game or something, and if he doesn't get modkillied in 24 hours, then hes most likely scum.

2. The normal lurkers, this goes for therepublic, radishead, and some others I can't think of now.

3. Jo, since he doesn't know what role he has... -_-

2 and 3 are pretty close to each other, and I need to read over some stuff to keep track on whats going on.




              

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We should not hang nen-suer or youma. At least not yet. Nen-suer in particular has displayed a bit of knowledge that necessarily indicates he has some knowledge of what's actually going on here; whether that's related to his role or to his browsing the wiki I don't know, but we shouldn't hang him yet.

@Kantor:

Why? I'll tell you, and it's convenient because I can incorporate something I was going to say to hatmoza.

The whole point of any action taken in the game on the part of Town is to gather information. Mafia doesn't need information as badly; sure, they want to know who the cop is, who the doctor is, maybe who the tracker or the vig or whatever is, but generally information isn't as vital to the Mafia as it is to the town. If they're good at hiding, they can get through the whole game in blissful ignorance. Not so for Town.

Pressure on Linkz resulted in information concerning the identities of vanilla towns; it gave us reasons to trust TheRepublic, SAK, nen-suer, on and on.

Pressuring Heph gave us information too, of the same kind but lending to a more complete understanding of the role of youma in the game.

Pressuring Homer (after his roleclaim, and not before) resulted in us learning that the four generals of Queen Beryl are in the game. This contributes, more and more, to our understanding of how the game works.

Pressuring theprof is actually what resulted in the reveal that each minion serves a similar or different master among the generals. Hpeh follows Jadeite; prof follows Jadeite; I forget who claims Zoicite; nen-suer claims Kunzite. I need to hear who TheRepublic claims as his master, at the moment.

It's the second day. The first days are the best time to pressure people (perhaps indiscrimnately) and learn what you can so long as you don't actually hang anyone. Hatmoza thoguht that the flip of a Mafia would let us start connecting the dots, but that's not true; we've been connecting the dots the entire time, have ended up with a handful of absolutely confirmed townies who will serve as a buffer while we search out Mafia. At best, wide-spread and heavy pressure has bought us a number of days with which to keep hunting and scrutinizing everyone who claims to be town. At worst, I've caused some people's blood pressures to rise.

I would like to formally apologize, unsarcastically, if I have adversely affected anyone's enjoyment of the game up to this point. I do not apologize for the fact of pressure applied; just for the effects it might have.

THat's enough, though. We need to figure out people to hang.

Here is a list of things I am thinking about:

1. People seem to trust Kantor. I want to know why, because I absolutely do not.

2. Pressure on everyone in the game so far has resulted in information, with the exception of hatmoza. This seems to me incredibly suspicious, but I'm willing to let it slide because I think I was the only person who voted for him.

3. I dont' want to give gurglesletch the opportunity to get back into the game. Either he should be dead or hanged in the next 24 hours, no questions asked.

4. I would like to think that noname would be more active as a Mafia, but his status as a chronic lurker makes him a prime companion for noose-around-the-neck.

5. For j0, I don't distrust his claim that F-F didn't send him the role necessarily, but that combined with the fact that he's coming off of sabby's lurking makes him extremely scummy in my eyes.

6. What is up with TruckOSaurus?

THese are the things I am thinking about. THe three people I would hang right now, no questions asked, are noname, gurglesletch, and j0. We need to pick one of these guys and go to town.



That is, we should not hang nen-suer or TheRepublic. Not yet.



Looks likes gurglesletch will be mokilled if he doesn't respond so until that happens I don't want to waste a vote on the inevitable.

Unvote



"Life is but a gentle death. Fate is but a sickness that results in extinction and in the midst of all the uncertainty, lies resolve."

Kantor said:

So, the Youmas:

Hephaestos

SuperAdrianK

Silver-Tiger

theRepublic

nen-suer.

This shit is scummy, Kantor. You're confirming townies without power-roles.

Also:

Unvote

Vote: Khuutra

Basically, he reeks of scum, but assuages suspicions of himself by accepting these behaviors.  Mafia bandwagon, he say's he likes to bandwagon. Mafia pursue one person and kill them. Khuutra says he wants prof dead. 

So yes, Khuutra. You are never exonerated of scummy behavior even if you admit that you do it.



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

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dtewi said:

This shit is scummy, Kantor. You're confirming townies without power-roles.

Also:

Unvote

Vote: Khuutra

Basically, he reeks of scum, but assuages suspicions of himself by accepting these behaviors.  Mafia bandwagon, he say's he likes to bandwagon. Mafia pursue one person and kill them. Khuutra says he wants prof dead. 

So yes, Khuutra. You are never exonerated of scummy behavior even if you admit that you do it.

You know dtewi, I almost forgot you were in this game.

Now, ah

Where did I say I want prof dead?



Khuutra said:
dtewi said:

This shit is scummy, Kantor. You're confirming townies without power-roles.

Also:

Unvote

Vote: Khuutra

Basically, he reeks of scum, but assuages suspicions of himself by accepting these behaviors.  Mafia bandwagon, he say's he likes to bandwagon. Mafia pursue one person and kill them. Khuutra says he wants prof dead. 

So yes, Khuutra. You are never exonerated of scummy behavior even if you admit that you do it.

You know dtewi, I almost forgot you were in this game.

Now, ah

Where did I say I want prof dead?

Ah hold on. I located the post. You said you though Heph still needed to die. And that idea was cleared when you found out there was another youma.

Still, you admit to having scummy behavior. It looks to me like a clever mind game, where if you admit to doing it then suspicions of you are diminished, and I wouldn't put that beneath you.



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

Khuutra said:

6. What is up with TruckOSaurus?

So nice of you to worry about me :)

Right now, I'm reconsidering my position about theprof... I'm still thrown off by the fact that he has a name as a Youma but thinking back about it I can't find a good motive for him to bring up this whole debate if he were scum so right now I'll:

Unvote: theprof00

I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't understand the trust Kantor seems to inspire in a lot of players. I see no reason to trust him, point in fact his attempt at buddying with prof at the start of the day makes him seem suspicious to me.

As for other people I find suspicious... I really need to reread this day with the information we have now to see if something jumps at me.



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dtewi said:
Khuutra said:

You know dtewi, I almost forgot you were in this game.

Now, ah

Where did I say I want prof dead?

Ah hold on. I located the post. You said you though Heph still needed to die. And that idea was cleared when you found out there was another youma.

Still, you admit to having scummy behavior. It looks to me like a clever mind game, where if you admit to doing it then suspicions of you are diminished, and I wouldn't put that beneath you.

You are not keeping up, and you are not reading, dtewi.

Whoever our cop is, can we get a reading on dtewi tonight? I'll apply pressure tomorrow one way or another, but I'd like a nice, shiny confirmation - or some nice, shiny support.

Now dtewi, listen. What I admitted to isn't bandwagoning so much as it is the complete and indiscriminate application of focused pressure to make people leak potentially helpful information. It went too far in some places, but

But

Like I said above, that only works if you don't hang anyone.

I "bandwagon" in the sense that I will add to the pressure applied to a person, but I have participated in seeing no one hanged and then I move on when knowledge comes out. It's simple. It's clean. It's why I started a few bandwagons, too. And I don't regret an ounce of it.



earlier you said "either heph or prof needs to die"