Seriously though, it's kinda getting out of hand.  This goes for all sides.  Let's face it, no matter how you wish to spin how things are going in your neck of the woods, the cold hard fact is it doesn't mean/prove anything as far as the gaming industry is concerrned as a whole.  I know I use to use anecdotal evidence when I first came here.  But, it got to a point where I realized it was useless.  Partly because others really don't know if you're lying, and on the flip side, you don't know if they are lying to support their view. 

So let's just stop using it.  Or at the very least, just stick with online stores.  At least they represent a much larger picture than your local Wal-mart, Target, and/or Best Buy.

Oh, and on a side note, some are still arguing this whole shipped vs. sold thing, too.  If you haven't realized, you're on a gaming SALES site, so chances are the vast majority of people get that companies report SOLD TO RETAILER and VGC tries to estimate SOLD TO CONSUMER.  And no company is lying/bending the truth when they report THEIR sold numbers.  Well, that's pretty much it.

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but this whole forums is 90% bitching on numbers so without doing so what would these forums be 

but, bu! Someone told me in the internebzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!11111 

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B-but! MS UNDERshipped!

b-b-b-but my friend's cousin who has an uncle who's nephew has a friend that has an older brother who's girlfriend has a sister says that anecdotal evidence is important!!!

I asked three friends and they all say anecdotal evidence is fact.

I don't know!  For the love of God, I don't know!

But a friend of a friend of mine told me that you can have debates about numbers without using anecdotal evidence or without labeling a company a liar for using different numbers than VGC.

There was a survey done at my local best buy that shows the legitimacy of anecdotal evidence

This is like asking politicians to tell the truth.

I will take official shipment figures to retailers over estimated sales to consumers numbers. Sales estimates are adjusted up and down based on shipment figures and  official report updates.

Sales to consumers will always trail behind the sold to retailer shipment figures at the same point in time.