By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - General - The American Thread of Mid-Term Elections (2010)

leatherhat said:

These people have no interest in compromise. The republicans have already stated that their main goal is turn Obama into a lame duck Pres who doesn't get any more terms. And with their new seats and the power of the fillibuster they can stop any thing the dems try to do. And the dems are not going to play nice with people so openly hostile towards them. Its a bad situation. 

The same things were said about Clinton in 94. After a time, everyone realized they needed to play nice to get re-elected. The freshmen GOP will come in like barnstormers but they'll calm after a bit when they realize their next election date is just around the corner and nothing has been accomplished.




Or check out my new webcomic: http://selfcentent.com/

Around the Network
rocketpig said:
leatherhat said:

These people have no interest in compromise. The republicans have already stated that their main goal is turn Obama into a lame duck Pres who doesn't get any more terms. And with their new seats and the power of the fillibuster they can stop any thing the dems try to do. And the dems are not going to play nice with people so openly hostile towards them. Its a bad situation. 

The same things were said about Clinton in 94. After a time, everyone realized they needed to play nice to get re-elected. The freshmen GOP will come in like barnstormers but they'll calm after a bit when they realize their next election date is just around the corner and nothing has been accomplished.

Deliberate obstructionism, when you're not the minority to a supermajority, can work, or not. It's like Russian Roulette with 3 bullets in a six shooter, because it all depends on whether the public blames you for obstructing (in this case, if the Republicans go through with an effort to just paralyze and destroy Obama, if they then get blamed for whatever problems the country has in 2012, or they could effectively destroy him as the only roadblock to a Republican agenda, it's a fifty fifty shot)

As rocketpig said, it's politically advantageous for everyone to play nice with each other, but that secures both Obama and the new Congress.



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

Teo said:

The republicans didn't even take the senate, this just shows how out of touch they are with the majority. The house is a different story since it is not about the majority but about every little redneck pocket of people scattered in America.

You could easily turn that same statement around, you realize that?



"We'll toss the dice however they fall,
And snuggle the girls be they short or tall,
Then follow young Mat whenever he calls,
To dance with Jak o' the Shadows."

Check out MyAnimeList and my Game Collection. Owner of the 5 millionth post.

Mr Khan said:
rocketpig said:
leatherhat said:

These people have no interest in compromise. The republicans have already stated that their main goal is turn Obama into a lame duck Pres who doesn't get any more terms. And with their new seats and the power of the fillibuster they can stop any thing the dems try to do. And the dems are not going to play nice with people so openly hostile towards them. Its a bad situation. 

The same things were said about Clinton in 94. After a time, everyone realized they needed to play nice to get re-elected. The freshmen GOP will come in like barnstormers but they'll calm after a bit when they realize their next election date is just around the corner and nothing has been accomplished.

Deliberate obstructionism, when you're not the minority to a supermajority, can work, or not. It's like Russian Roulette with 3 bullets in a six shooter, because it all depends on whether the public blames you for obstructing (in this case, if the Republicans go through with an effort to just paralyze and destroy Obama, if they then get blamed for whatever problems the country has in 2012, or they could effectively destroy him as the only roadblock to a Republican agenda, it's a fifty fifty shot)

As rocketpig said, it's politically advantageous for everyone to play nice with each other, but that secures both Obama and the new Congress.

As you said, it CAN work but I doubt these new House freshmen are going to be so eager to take the risk of putting themselves in a martyr position just to get rid of Obama. At the end of the day, it will be everyone for themselves (the way it should be).




Or check out my new webcomic: http://selfcentent.com/

outlawauron said:
Teo said:

The republicans didn't even take the senate, this just shows how out of touch they are with the majority. The house is a different story since it is not about the majority but about every little redneck pocket of people scattered in America.

You could easily turn that same statement around, you realize that?

The house of representative is the most corrupted place when it comes to government, these are the people that waste millions of tax dollars every year through pork spending and they get less attention because they do this in huge groups which makes them less visable. If moderates and liberals were spread out as conservatives are, the majority of the house would be democratic today just as the senate still is.



Around the Network
Teo said:
outlawauron said:
Teo said:

The republicans didn't even take the senate, this just shows how out of touch they are with the majority. The house is a different story since it is not about the majority but about every little redneck pocket of people scattered in America.

You could easily turn that same statement around, you realize that?

The house of representative is the most corrupted place when it comes to government, these are the people that waste millions of tax dollars every year through pork spending and they get less attention because they do this in huge groups which makes them less visable. If moderates and liberals were spread out as conservatives are, the majority of the house would be democratic today just as the senate still is.

Being 'spread out' in terms of population distribution has very little effect on the number of congressional apportionments, and their relative parties. Since apportions are based on population, gerrymandering can only go so far. For example, where I live (Ohio), Cleveland has 2 congressmen in a very small area of space (Cuyahoga County).

If you want to argue it so badly, you can usually see that gerrymandering favors Democrats and not Republicans.



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

I disagree, gerrymandering helps the conservatives gain the vote of the uneducated.



Teo said:

I disagree, gerrymandering helps the conservatives gain the vote of the uneducated.

You can disagree... but your disagreement apears to be devoid of any actual facts, reasoning or arguement.

As you've not provided any.

 

I can disagree the sun is needed for life on earth.  I'd guess people would want that backed up by some kind of arguement though.



Kasz216 said:
Teo said:

I disagree, gerrymandering helps the conservatives gain the vote of the uneducated.

You can disagree... but your disagreement apears to be devoid of any actual facts, reasoning or arguement.

As you've not provided any.

 

I can disagree the sun is needed for life on earth.  I'd guess people would want that backed up by some kind of arguement though.

To be the devil's advocate here, we can't prove that as the sun hasn't gone out yet.



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

Kasz216 said:
Teo said:

I disagree, gerrymandering helps the conservatives gain the vote of the uneducated.

You can disagree... but your disagreement apears to be devoid of any actual facts, reasoning or arguement.

As you've not provided any.

 

I can disagree the sun is needed for life on earth.  I'd guess people would want that backed up by some kind of arguement though.

My post came out glitched so I just did a quick edit to point out my stance.

Gerrymandering sole purpose is for electoral purposes, this is how we get the extreme conservatives elected to the house. There are no extreme liberals in the house because there is no such thing as a major minority of liberals living in the countryside of each states. This is how the tea pary came to be, there will never be such a movement from the left in the United States. Certain situations and unequalities create communism, we are way passed that.