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youarebadatgames on 31 October 2010
theprof00 said:


lol.

Goodluck with your projector peripheral then.Can't wait to see 360 degree projectors every 15 feet to do something we can already do with an iphone.

Voice command is already done and so is identity sensing and lots of other cool things. If you think kinect is not only "creating new experiences", but outdoing what we already have, you are sadly sadly mistaken.

"or information kiosks with natural human/computer interaction, the kind of stuff grandmas who don't understand computers can use." - thankfully KINECT is going to save us all; oh I should correct myself, KINECT AND a bunch of other hardware.

Don't think I didn't notice your little jab at my intelligence. Come back when you have something more concrete to say rather than this romantic defensive daydreaming.

'One day it will be able to cool your cup just by sensing the temperature of a drink on your lips, and old people will understand the new generation, and nobody will be able to break into your home and steal stuff, and cats and dogs will live together peacefully under one roof. Thanks kinect!'

 

 


I'm sure you're well versed in what MS research is doing for you to make these precient statements about their work.  In fact you keep up with all the articles they publish, attend the same conferences they do, are a member of IEEE, and converse with the leaders of the field about the problems they are diligently working on.  After all that, you've come to the conclusion that their work is worthless.

Or it's more likely you are just trolling, or worse yet just have no clue what they do.  That's ok, people who don't understand sciency things tend to get that way.  Just keep out when adults are talking, ok?



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theprof00 on 31 October 2010

I'm not knocking kinect fyi.

Kinect is good tech. It's great tech. Most importantly, it's COOL tech.

However, it's great FOR WHAT IT IS. It's like being a hot chick who's in the comic book industry. All the comic nerds are going to think she's the most beautiful woman alive, but put her on a runway and suddenly she's not that hot.

ie; It's a great device in a market where there is little competition. When you talk about this light stuff, the tech exists in a hundred different places and even with its benefits, there are different techs (like bluetooth) that do the functions even better, without lag.

I'm sorry, but to me, that video was like something from the early 2000's.

Look, we just discovered graphene, a carbon compound that is 200 times stronger than steel and is bendable, and can create like 8nm processors and carries electrical charge at nealry any temperature.I'm not easily impressed, especially not by a tech that I saw at my science museum 14 years ago. And our science museum barely updates ANYTHING. The newest tech there is IR sensor toilets.

A projector with an IR feeback is...archaic compared to what even an iphone can do.



theprof00 on 31 October 2010
youarebadatgames said:
theprof00 said:


lol.

Goodluck with your projector peripheral then.Can't wait to see 360 degree projectors every 15 feet to do something we can already do with an iphone.

Voice command is already done and so is identity sensing and lots of other cool things. If you think kinect is not only "creating new experiences", but outdoing what we already have, you are sadly sadly mistaken.

"or information kiosks with natural human/computer interaction, the kind of stuff grandmas who don't understand computers can use." - thankfully KINECT is going to save us all; oh I should correct myself, KINECT AND a bunch of other hardware.

Don't think I didn't notice your little jab at my intelligence. Come back when you have something more concrete to say rather than this romantic defensive daydreaming.

'One day it will be able to cool your cup just by sensing the temperature of a drink on your lips, and old people will understand the new generation, and nobody will be able to break into your home and steal stuff, and cats and dogs will live together peacefully under one roof. Thanks kinect!'

 

 


I'm sure you're well versed in what MS research is doing for you to make these precient statements about their work.  In fact you keep up with all the articles they publish, attend the same conferences they do, are a member of IEEE, and converse with the leaders of the field about the problems they are diligently working on.  After all that, you've come to the conclusion that their work is worthless.

Or it's more likely you are just trolling, or worse yet just have no clue what they do.  That's ok, people who don't understand sciency things tend to get that way.  Just keep out when adults are talking, ok?

right. Or even better, maybe you are praising their work because you really like microsoft and can't stand criticism of it.

That sound more rational and simple to me than, "I can't have an opinion because I'm not an MS exec".

I've seen this tech years ago. It's not that impressisive.

Tell you what.

Give me a comprehensive work-through of one of these fantasy abilities and tell me if it's already possible, and how much it will cost.



youarebadatgames on 31 October 2010
theprof00 said:

right. Or even better, maybe you are praising their work because you really like microsoft and can't stand criticism of it.

That sound more rational and simple to me than, "I can't have an opinion because I'm not an MS exec".

No, you're free to have any opinion you want.  I'm free to infer certain things about you based on your opinion.

Thoughtful people would have looked at that demo and thought 1) What were the problems the researchers had to overcome 2) What are the implications of this technology

It's obvious you didn't get past #1, so that's why your opinion is pretty worthless.  But you are still entitled to it.



theprof00 on 31 October 2010

nearly a year ago buck-o

same tech, already on the shelves.

http://www.gadgetvenue.com/light-touch-interactive-projector-light-blue-optics-01053553/



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theprof00 on 31 October 2010
youarebadatgames said:
theprof00 said:

right. Or even better, maybe you are praising their work because you really like microsoft and can't stand criticism of it.

That sound more rational and simple to me than, "I can't have an opinion because I'm not an MS exec".

No, you're free to have any opinion you want.  I'm free to infer certain things about you based on your opinion.

Thoughtful people would have looked at that demo and thought 1) What were the problems the researchers had to overcome 2) What are the implications of this technology

It's obvious you didn't get past #1, so that's why your opinion is pretty worthless.  But you are still entitled to it.

#1) None, the tech already exists.

#2) Lots of stuff. Provided you have a FREAKING PROJECTOR everywhere you go.

I'm not going to keep arguing with you. You haven't put forth a solid argument thus far relying ham-fistedly on insults and elitism. Go look for yourself. Relevant applications of the tech are already in the market. Nothing about the tech is new, except for holding the "video ball" on your hand and giving it from one person to another. That's something I haven't seen yet.



youarebadatgames on 31 October 2010
theprof00 said:

nearly a year ago buck-o

same tech, already on the shelves.

http://www.gadgetvenue.com/light-touch-interactive-projector-light-blue-optics-01053553/


Once again, you've failed to do #1.  If you don't understand the problems the researchers had to overcome, you cannot understand #2.

Hint: the projector isn't the technology

BTW, my interest in kinect is to see them build an automated sentry gun.



theprof00 on 31 October 2010

Last link

http://singularityhub.com/2010/02/17/minority-report-interface-is-real-hitting-mainstream-soon-video/



theprof00 on 31 October 2010
youarebadatgames said:
theprof00 said:

nearly a year ago buck-o

same tech, already on the shelves.

http://www.gadgetvenue.com/light-touch-interactive-projector-light-blue-optics-01053553/


Once again, you've failed to do #1.  If you don't understand the problems the researchers had to overcome, you cannot understand #2.

Hint: the projector isn't the technology

BTW, my interest in kinect is to see them build an automated sentry gun.

yes it is!

http://singularityhub.com/2010/02/17/minority-report-interface-is-real-hitting-mainstream-soon-video/

It is exactly this in the link using a projector and hands instead of gloves.

They took what was already out there, and said, "hey, if we used a 360 degree projector to put a screen anywhere in the room, we could throw things everywhere".

I'm sorry to break it to you like this, but this has been done!

Now, granted, the light interaction things were neat, and I have not seen them before (specifically, the ball and the menu selection), but if I really tried I'm sure I could find the tech already out there as well. It's just never been in my interest to do so.

Kinect is NOT a groundbreaking technology. Case in point, it is CONSUMER technology, which means that the tech has existed already for ages in commerical applications (ie; for $$$$$).

 

I'm not saying that IR light manipulation is useless, but that this incarnation of it is useless. It is the only one I've seen that uses this kind of projector. I've seen it done on screens, and stationary projectors, on moving objects. This one is useless because it requires a projector, and projectors are very very expensive.

To me, this is equivalent to 3d tv. It's cool, but, there are other cheaper better ways to get the same end result.



Untamoi on 31 October 2010
theprof00 said:
daroamer said:
theprof00 said:
ssj12 said:

Its probably Microsoft LightSpace

http://research.microsoft.com/apps/video/default.aspx?id=139046

that was the dumbest thing ive ever seen.

"you pull out your hand and it shows you directions, or an arrow appears on the floor"

"I can pass the video to him, in his hand, and he can drop it on the paper and play around with it"

What a useless technology.

How was that useless?  These are tech demos, you can think of all kinds of cool applications for this.

A good example is in the movie Avatar when they first put Jake in the avatar link pod and the doctor is looking at the scan of his brain on a big monitor, then with just the swipe of his hand he transfers that to a tablet like device so he can walk with it.

Think of if you're reading the daily paper on your computer and you have to go to the bathroom and you'd like to finish reading, you pick up your future iPad and just swipe from your monitor to the iPad and boom, there it is instantly.

no, this uses a projector to do the tech. You would need a projector in every room at every angle to even start producing the kinds of effects you're talking about. It's just not feasible.

You're really confusing what is happening in that demo for what you wish it did. It's not putting the file onto something else, it's projecting it onto something else. Did you see that projector they were using? That's a really really expensive set up. That's like, comemrcially priced equipment. You're talking tens of thousands, just for that one room, for SOME angles.

However, what you're talking about is easily done with different methods. In Japan, cell phones transfer files and information using IR or bluetooth or some such technology. All you have to do is equip an iPad with that and similarly with the monitor. Boom, instant file transmission. No need to even swipe your hand.

As far as the newspaper idea. There are already several foldable screen techs in the works. Pocket sized pads that fold out to standard paper size.

It's a silly tech, at best, at worst, it's an already outdated piece of technology. Outdated in the sense that there are already cheap alternatives to doing the same thing, or capable of doing similar things.


I think that technology is meant to be used in seminars and briefings and similar events. For example when 15 people are around the table planning something. In that case, your examples don't do anything similar. It is not meant for regular users.

Heck, most money for Microsoft comes from businesses, not from regular users. Home PC's (including every software by MS) and consoles are only a small part of their revenue.