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it's just like a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle isn't a square. Most *intelligent* people realize the differences that are blatantly obvious.

It's just the dumb ones that take things at face value. But we, in America, have a lot of dumb people...



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I really hope this topic is what got PizzaFaceGamer banned, as it it's highly offensive and wholly uninformed.  Armads gives a good definition of terrorism, and by following it it is possible to argue that the biggest terrorist organization is the U.S. government.  Whether we're talking banana republics or illegal invasions of soverign nations, few organizations throw their might around to scare people into complacency than the U.S. government.



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ChichiriMuyo said:

I really hope this topic is what got PizzaFaceGamer banned, as it it's highly offensive and wholly uninformed.  Armads gives a good definition of terrorism, and by following it it is possible to argue that the biggest terrorist organization is the U.S. government.  Whether we're talking banana republics or illegal invasions of soverign nations, few organizations throw their might around to scare people into complacency than the U.S. government.


Technically terrorism is really about non-governmental groups but there's no denying that the U.S. uses it's power to bully lesser nations quite too frequently.  Which is caused by our national obsession with greed and the need to spread capitalism by any means.  It's a sorry state of affairs but with a school system that has been in decline for years and the increase of an ignorant population (both conservatives and liberals) has led us to where we are today.



PizzaFaceGamer said:

Odd dynamic going on here. 

We all know that the majority of muslims are peaceful.  However, we also know that most of the recent terrorist attacks in America and Europe have been muslim extremists despite making up a tiny percentage of the population.   With the two rare exceptions of Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudolph most terrorist attacks on America have been by muslim radicals.

It is my hope that the moderate majority of muslims will reign in the minority exremist elements and we can all live in peace.  We should all support and encourage the moderate Muslims

Do you expect Christians to "reign in McVeys" or those who are opposed to abort to "reign in" abortion clinic bombers, or those opposed to globalization to "reign in" Unabombers?  The reality is now, the ideology of revoltion around the world (the dominant one) happens to be fundamentalist Islam.  Islam is what people who feel oppressed will rally to for liberation.  Acts done in the name of government or law enforcement are seen as either parts of politics, or strong enforcement of law.  Individuals who fight back with violence against the system get labelled as "terrorist" today (used to be "criminals" but that apparently didn't deter anything).

Because Islam is in the realm of revolution now, it will produce acts that Communist rebels used to do.  It is hard, for the Muslim community to deal with this.   Only thing that can be done is speak to what really Islam is about today, by putting perhaps a Muslim cultural center say near the 9/11 site (sorry, scratch that, that is SOOO offensive, it can't happen) and by marginalizing those who have gone off the deep end.  Calling in the authorities at the right time would help.

However, so long as you have states like Iran using groups like Hezbollah to do proxy wars, you still will end up having issues.



Armads said:
ChichiriMuyo said:

I really hope this topic is what got PizzaFaceGamer banned, as it it's highly offensive and wholly uninformed.  Armads gives a good definition of terrorism, and by following it it is possible to argue that the biggest terrorist organization is the U.S. government.  Whether we're talking banana republics or illegal invasions of soverign nations, few organizations throw their might around to scare people into complacency than the U.S. government.


Technically terrorism is really about non-governmental groups but there's no denying that the U.S. uses it's power to bully lesser nations quite too frequently.  Which is caused by our national obsession with greed and the need to spread capitalism by any means.  It's a sorry state of affairs but with a school system that has been in decline for years and the increase of an ignorant population (both conservatives and liberals) has led us to where we are today.

Oh, I know that.  That's why I said it was possible to argue such a thing, rather than saying it defines the U.S. as a terrorist opperation.  Terrorism is such a loose idea that it's hard to find anything that no one in the world would/could think of as terrorism.



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PizzaFaceGamer said:

Odd dynamic going on here. 

We all know that the majority of muslims are peaceful.  However, we also know that most of the recent terrorist attacks in America and Europe have been muslim extremists despite making up a tiny percentage of the population.   With the two rare exceptions of Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudolph most terrorist attacks on America have been by muslim radicals.

It is my hope that the moderate majority of muslims will reign in the minority exremist elements and we can all live in peace.  We should all support and encourage the moderate Muslims


Two rare exceptions?  Joseph Stack, Ted Kaczyinski, the UFF, the Order, the JDL, and James Kopp as just one of many Christian abortion doctor murderers.  There are pissed off people of every creed and colour.  



richardhutnik said:
PizzaFaceGamer said:

Odd dynamic going on here. 

We all know that the majority of muslims are peaceful.  However, we also know that most of the recent terrorist attacks in America and Europe have been muslim extremists despite making up a tiny percentage of the population.   With the two rare exceptions of Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudolph most terrorist attacks on America have been by muslim radicals.

It is my hope that the moderate majority of muslims will reign in the minority exremist elements and we can all live in peace.  We should all support and encourage the moderate Muslims

Do you expect Christians to "reign in McVeys" or those who are opposed to abort to "reign in" abortion clinic bombers, or those opposed to globalization to "reign in" Unabombers?  The reality is now, the ideology of revoltion around the world (the dominant one) happens to be fundamentalist Islam.  Islam is what people who feel oppressed will rally to for liberation.  Acts done in the name of government or law enforcement are seen as either parts of politics, or strong enforcement of law.  Individuals who fight back with violence against the system get labelled as "terrorist" today (used to be "criminals" but that apparently didn't deter anything).

Because Islam is in the realm of revolution now, it will produce acts that Communist rebels used to do.  It is hard, for the Muslim community to deal with this.   Only thing that can be done is speak to what really Islam is about today, by putting perhaps a Muslim cultural center say near the 9/11 site (sorry, scratch that, that is SOOO offensive, it can't happen) and by marginalizing those who have gone off the deep end.  Calling in the authorities at the right time would help.

However, so long as you have states like Iran using groups like Hezbollah to do proxy wars, you still will end up having issues.

 

Interesting that you pointed to Hezbollah, as it was formed to protect Lebanon from Israeli invasions (of which there have been three or four, depending on who you ask) and to retake lands conqured by a foreign power (which still hasn't been accomplished 100% even as of yet).  Also, with the money Iran has, if they wanted to fight a proxy war they could do a lot more than prop up Hezbollah.  Not nearly as much as the US could do, of course (in fact one of the biggest threats to Israel, Egypt, is held at bay simply by force of American tax-payer money), but enough to constitute a severe threat to Israel rather than a severe threat to the lands they have taken illegally through war.



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ChichiriMuyo said:
richardhutnik said:
PizzaFaceGamer said:

Odd dynamic going on here. 

We all know that the majority of muslims are peaceful.  However, we also know that most of the recent terrorist attacks in America and Europe have been muslim extremists despite making up a tiny percentage of the population.   With the two rare exceptions of Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudolph most terrorist attacks on America have been by muslim radicals.

It is my hope that the moderate majority of muslims will reign in the minority exremist elements and we can all live in peace.  We should all support and encourage the moderate Muslims

Do you expect Christians to "reign in McVeys" or those who are opposed to abort to "reign in" abortion clinic bombers, or those opposed to globalization to "reign in" Unabombers?  The reality is now, the ideology of revoltion around the world (the dominant one) happens to be fundamentalist Islam.  Islam is what people who feel oppressed will rally to for liberation.  Acts done in the name of government or law enforcement are seen as either parts of politics, or strong enforcement of law.  Individuals who fight back with violence against the system get labelled as "terrorist" today (used to be "criminals" but that apparently didn't deter anything).

Because Islam is in the realm of revolution now, it will produce acts that Communist rebels used to do.  It is hard, for the Muslim community to deal with this.   Only thing that can be done is speak to what really Islam is about today, by putting perhaps a Muslim cultural center say near the 9/11 site (sorry, scratch that, that is SOOO offensive, it can't happen) and by marginalizing those who have gone off the deep end.  Calling in the authorities at the right time would help.

However, so long as you have states like Iran using groups like Hezbollah to do proxy wars, you still will end up having issues.

 

Interesting that you pointed to Hezbollah, as it was formed to protect Lebanon from Israeli invasions (of which there have been three or four, depending on who you ask) and to retake lands conqured by a foreign power (which still hasn't been accomplished 100% even as of yet).  Also, with the money Iran has, if they wanted to fight a proxy war they could do a lot more than prop up Hezbollah.  Not nearly as much as the US could do, of course (in fact one of the biggest threats to Israel, Egypt, is held at bay simply by force of American tax-payer money), but enough to constitute a severe threat to Israel rather than a severe threat to the lands they have taken illegally through war.

Nukes changed the nature of war.  Now things are mostly done through third-parties that are bribed and supported by major powers.  Fear of direct confrontation has forces like Hezbollah relied on to counter threats in a region.  You have other nations supporting the likes of al Qaeda, so they can do things.  It never really is direct either.

Ok, this thread will morph into one on Israel to derail it, which maybe is needed.  What I personally see Israel does is end up grabbing land as buffers to negotiate agreements.  In regards to Lebanon though, I can say things aren't as simple as just saying Hebollah is some sure of righteous defenders who were formed to stop evil Israel from invading Lebonan, because Israel wanted to make Lebanon its own:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel-Lebanon_conflict

It is all politics of various sources, using proxy forces to do a nation's political will.  As you said above, even the United States throws money around to get what it wants done.



Odd dynamic going on here. 

We all know that the majority of men are peaceful.  However, we also know that all the recent terrorist attacks in America and Europe have been men despite making up a minority of the population. Even Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudolph were men.

It is my hope that the moderate majority of men will reign in the minority exremist elements and we can all live in peace.  We should all support and encourage the moderate men.