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Words Of Wisdom said:
tarheel91 said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
tarheel91 said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
tarheel91 said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
Parokki said:
I remember reading that the climatic balance of a good deal of southern North America got turned upside down when settlers came and turned huge expanses of woodlands into farmland. Is there any truth in this?

Yes and no. The cutting down of woodlands for farmlands did increase the ground's water supply which in turn enlarged any nearby aquifers but resulted in no largescale climactic changes. Indeed, any rumors you hear of such changes likely find their origins with the Native American culture which blamed the settlers when their rain dances failed, their hunting season was poor, and pretty much everything else.


You make it seem like the European settlers did nothing to cause the Indians' demise. In fact, it was the opposite. The diseases were what really killed them. They had no antibodies against European diseases and were royally screwed in the blink of an eye. Europeans did try to convert them to Christianity, and when they did and the deaths from disease continued, they did blame that on the Europeans and kill their missionaries and such. Then there was also the Europeans' constant encroachment on their land and waging war to take that land.

No such climate change that I've heard of, Parokki. I'm taking both AP Environmental Science and AP US History (you're in Finland, right? AP = College level in highschool) this year and I've heard nothing about a major climate change in NA during that time.


How did I make it seem like that by commenting on the climate?


That part right there portrays Native Americans as people ignorantly blaming Europeans for all their problems. Oh, and hunting seasons WERE poor because of Europeans. Besides outright killing populations of large mammals, they encouraged Native Americans to kill more than they needed and normally killed for trade. Ever wonder what happened to the gigantic buffalo population in the Great Plains?


Did I state anywhere in my post that the settlers did not cause the Native Americans any problems?

You only spoke of how they didn't cause them problems, which would lead the reader to infer that they didn't cause any problems.

 


So were I to say the dtewi is currently not posting useful information, would that lead you to infer that dtwei never posts useful information?


False analogy. The word currently clearly shows that this is a temporary thing and limited to this specific situation.  A more fitting analogy would be: What dtewi said is completely useless.  The sentence is vague and shows little respect for dtewi.



tarheel91 said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
tarheel91 said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
tarheel91 said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
tarheel91 said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
Parokki said:
I remember reading that the climatic balance of a good deal of southern North America got turned upside down when settlers came and turned huge expanses of woodlands into farmland. Is there any truth in this?

Yes and no. The cutting down of woodlands for farmlands did increase the ground's water supply which in turn enlarged any nearby aquifers but resulted in no largescale climactic changes. Indeed, any rumors you hear of such changes likely find their origins with the Native American culture which blamed the settlers when their rain dances failed, their hunting season was poor, and pretty much everything else.


You make it seem like the European settlers did nothing to cause the Indians' demise. In fact, it was the opposite. The diseases were what really killed them. They had no antibodies against European diseases and were royally screwed in the blink of an eye. Europeans did try to convert them to Christianity, and when they did and the deaths from disease continued, they did blame that on the Europeans and kill their missionaries and such. Then there was also the Europeans' constant encroachment on their land and waging war to take that land.

No such climate change that I've heard of, Parokki. I'm taking both AP Environmental Science and AP US History (you're in Finland, right? AP = College level in highschool) this year and I've heard nothing about a major climate change in NA during that time.


How did I make it seem like that by commenting on the climate?


That part right there portrays Native Americans as people ignorantly blaming Europeans for all their problems. Oh, and hunting seasons WERE poor because of Europeans. Besides outright killing populations of large mammals, they encouraged Native Americans to kill more than they needed and normally killed for trade. Ever wonder what happened to the gigantic buffalo population in the Great Plains?


Did I state anywhere in my post that the settlers did not cause the Native Americans any problems?

You only spoke of how they didn't cause them problems, which would lead the reader to infer that they didn't cause any problems.

 


So were I to say the dtewi is currently not posting useful information, would that lead you to infer that dtwei never posts useful information?


False analogy. The word currently clearly shows that this is a temporary thing and limited to this specific situation. A more fitting analogy would be: What dtewi said is completely useless. The sentence is vague and shows little respect for dtewi.


Alright then.  What dtewi said is completely useless.  Would that lead you to infer that dtewi never posts useful information?



Words Of Wisdom said:
tarheel91 said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
tarheel91 said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
tarheel91 said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
tarheel91 said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
Parokki said:
I remember reading that the climatic balance of a good deal of southern North America got turned upside down when settlers came and turned huge expanses of woodlands into farmland. Is there any truth in this?

Yes and no. The cutting down of woodlands for farmlands did increase the ground's water supply which in turn enlarged any nearby aquifers but resulted in no largescale climactic changes. Indeed, any rumors you hear of such changes likely find their origins with the Native American culture which blamed the settlers when their rain dances failed, their hunting season was poor, and pretty much everything else.


You make it seem like the European settlers did nothing to cause the Indians' demise. In fact, it was the opposite. The diseases were what really killed them. They had no antibodies against European diseases and were royally screwed in the blink of an eye. Europeans did try to convert them to Christianity, and when they did and the deaths from disease continued, they did blame that on the Europeans and kill their missionaries and such. Then there was also the Europeans' constant encroachment on their land and waging war to take that land.

No such climate change that I've heard of, Parokki. I'm taking both AP Environmental Science and AP US History (you're in Finland, right? AP = College level in highschool) this year and I've heard nothing about a major climate change in NA during that time.


How did I make it seem like that by commenting on the climate?


That part right there portrays Native Americans as people ignorantly blaming Europeans for all their problems. Oh, and hunting seasons WERE poor because of Europeans. Besides outright killing populations of large mammals, they encouraged Native Americans to kill more than they needed and normally killed for trade. Ever wonder what happened to the gigantic buffalo population in the Great Plains?


Did I state anywhere in my post that the settlers did not cause the Native Americans any problems?

You only spoke of how they didn't cause them problems, which would lead the reader to infer that they didn't cause any problems.

 


So were I to say the dtewi is currently not posting useful information, would that lead you to infer that dtwei never posts useful information?


False analogy. The word currently clearly shows that this is a temporary thing and limited to this specific situation. A more fitting analogy would be: What dtewi said is completely useless. The sentence is vague and shows little respect for dtewi.


Alright then.  What dtewi said is completely useless.  Would that lead you to infer that dtewi never posts useful information?


Well, twas a bad example as well because you have a post right there you're clearly refering to.  However, had there not been any post of dtewi's there, one could assume that you're trying to say that you must disregard what dtewi says because whatever he says is completely useless.  My point is that the way you said what you said portrayed indians in a very negative and ignorant light as if they were blaming everything on the Europeans for completely bogus reasons.  You even say they blamed Europeans for decreased game as if it's a ludicrous claim when they had every right to blame them for it.



tarheel91 said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
tarheel91 said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
tarheel91 said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
tarheel91 said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
tarheel91 said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
Parokki said:
I remember reading that the climatic balance of a good deal of southern North America got turned upside down when settlers came and turned huge expanses of woodlands into farmland. Is there any truth in this?

Yes and no. The cutting down of woodlands for farmlands did increase the ground's water supply which in turn enlarged any nearby aquifers but resulted in no largescale climactic changes. Indeed, any rumors you hear of such changes likely find their origins with the Native American culture which blamed the settlers when their rain dances failed, their hunting season was poor, and pretty much everything else.


You make it seem like the European settlers did nothing to cause the Indians' demise. In fact, it was the opposite. The diseases were what really killed them. They had no antibodies against European diseases and were royally screwed in the blink of an eye. Europeans did try to convert them to Christianity, and when they did and the deaths from disease continued, they did blame that on the Europeans and kill their missionaries and such. Then there was also the Europeans' constant encroachment on their land and waging war to take that land.

No such climate change that I've heard of, Parokki. I'm taking both AP Environmental Science and AP US History (you're in Finland, right? AP = College level in highschool) this year and I've heard nothing about a major climate change in NA during that time.


How did I make it seem like that by commenting on the climate?


That part right there portrays Native Americans as people ignorantly blaming Europeans for all their problems. Oh, and hunting seasons WERE poor because of Europeans. Besides outright killing populations of large mammals, they encouraged Native Americans to kill more than they needed and normally killed for trade. Ever wonder what happened to the gigantic buffalo population in the Great Plains?


Did I state anywhere in my post that the settlers did not cause the Native Americans any problems?

You only spoke of how they didn't cause them problems, which would lead the reader to infer that they didn't cause any problems.

 


So were I to say the dtewi is currently not posting useful information, would that lead you to infer that dtwei never posts useful information?


False analogy. The word currently clearly shows that this is a temporary thing and limited to this specific situation. A more fitting analogy would be: What dtewi said is completely useless. The sentence is vague and shows little respect for dtewi.


Alright then. What dtewi said is completely useless. Would that lead you to infer that dtewi never posts useful information?


Well, twas a bad example as well because you have a post right there you're clearly refering to. However, had there not been any post of dtewi's there, one could assume that you're trying to say that you must disregard what dtewi says because whatever he says is completely useless. My point is that the way you said what you said portrayed indians in a very negative and ignorant light as if they were blaming everything on the Europeans for completely bogus reasons. You even say they blamed Europeans for decreased game as if it's a ludicrous claim when they had every right to blame them for it.



Are you sure the way I said what I said was portraying Native Americans in a negative/ignorant light?

Is that your final answer?

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Words Of Wisdom said:
tarheel91 said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
tarheel91 said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
tarheel91 said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
tarheel91 said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
tarheel91 said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
Parokki said:
I remember reading that the climatic balance of a good deal of southern North America got turned upside down when settlers came and turned huge expanses of woodlands into farmland. Is there any truth in this?

Yes and no. The cutting down of woodlands for farmlands did increase the ground's water supply which in turn enlarged any nearby aquifers but resulted in no largescale climactic changes. Indeed, any rumors you hear of such changes likely find their origins with the Native American culture which blamed the settlers when their rain dances failed, their hunting season was poor, and pretty much everything else.


You make it seem like the European settlers did nothing to cause the Indians' demise. In fact, it was the opposite. The diseases were what really killed them. They had no antibodies against European diseases and were royally screwed in the blink of an eye. Europeans did try to convert them to Christianity, and when they did and the deaths from disease continued, they did blame that on the Europeans and kill their missionaries and such. Then there was also the Europeans' constant encroachment on their land and waging war to take that land.

No such climate change that I've heard of, Parokki. I'm taking both AP Environmental Science and AP US History (you're in Finland, right? AP = College level in highschool) this year and I've heard nothing about a major climate change in NA during that time.


How did I make it seem like that by commenting on the climate?


That part right there portrays Native Americans as people ignorantly blaming Europeans for all their problems. Oh, and hunting seasons WERE poor because of Europeans. Besides outright killing populations of large mammals, they encouraged Native Americans to kill more than they needed and normally killed for trade. Ever wonder what happened to the gigantic buffalo population in the Great Plains?


Did I state anywhere in my post that the settlers did not cause the Native Americans any problems?

You only spoke of how they didn't cause them problems, which would lead the reader to infer that they didn't cause any problems.

 


So were I to say the dtewi is currently not posting useful information, would that lead you to infer that dtwei never posts useful information?


False analogy. The word currently clearly shows that this is a temporary thing and limited to this specific situation. A more fitting analogy would be: What dtewi said is completely useless. The sentence is vague and shows little respect for dtewi.


Alright then. What dtewi said is completely useless. Would that lead you to infer that dtewi never posts useful information?


Well, twas a bad example as well because you have a post right there you're clearly refering to. However, had there not been any post of dtewi's there, one could assume that you're trying to say that you must disregard what dtewi says because whatever he says is completely useless. My point is that the way you said what you said portrayed indians in a very negative and ignorant light as if they were blaming everything on the Europeans for completely bogus reasons. You even say they blamed Europeans for decreased game as if it's a ludicrous claim when they had every right to blame them for it.



Are you sure the way I said what I said was portraying Native Americans in a negative/ignorant light?

Is that your final answer?

Ignoratio elenchi (also known as irrelevant conclusion or irrelevant thesis) is the formal fallacy of presenting an argument that may in itself be valid, but doesn't address the issue in question. "Ignoratio elenchi" can be roughly translated by ignorance of refutation, that is, ignorance of what a refutation is; "elenchi" is from the Greek έλεγχος, meaning an argument of disproof or refutation.

1) You got the point.

2) You're trying to distract from the real argument.

3) If a scholarly US History book uses the term Indian to refer to these people, I think it's an acceptable term.

 



Words Of Wisdom said:
The rapidly changing climate is not just in Texas. It's like that in the central northern states as well as the southern ones.

Snow is quite rare in some parts of Texas. Just depends on where you are.

Nope, it didn't even stick anywhere (or so I hear, I was out of town that weekend). It's probably a good thing though because people in Texas flip out when there's even a hint of snow and start driving like fucktards.


It's like that everywhere in the south. Texas, Arkansas, Louisiana...etc. Just a hint of snow and bang, gotta rush to the stores to buy bread, milk, and canned goods because the world is ending. Meanwhile, go up to Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan and people will still be going to school/work during mini-blizzards.

I also think drivers also get crazy in general everywhere south of St. Louis.

 I grew up in Texas and for the most part we dont get real snow at least in the east. They got plenty out west and in the panhandel but its like a whole differnt state over there the accents are even different. It might snow once or twice a year and stick about every five years in north east Texas. If it even hints at snowing all the Schools close down cause thaty dont want to run the buses. I moved to Idaho a few years ago and driving on sleet and black ice like we get at home is a lot different than driving on the snowpack we get up here. I now understand why the Eskimos have so many different words for snow as there are so many different types of snow. We never got anything but wet snow at home. 

 If youve ever seen The Outlaw Josey Whales an old Clint Eastwood movie it does a better job than most of showing how some parts of Texas actually look. One of the Few movies I've seen that shows East Texas full of pine trees.

 



tarheel91 said:

Ignoratio elenchi (also known as irrelevant conclusion or irrelevant thesis) is the formal fallacy of presenting an argument that may in itself be valid, but doesn't address the issue in question. "Ignoratio elenchi" can be roughly translated by ignorance of refutation, that is, ignorance of what a refutation is; "elenchi" is from the Greek έλεγχος, meaning an argument of disproof or refutation.

1) You got the point.

2) You're trying to distract from the real argument.

3) If a scholarly US History book uses the term Indian to refer to these people, I think it's an acceptable term.

 


I'm sorry, but you missed the point long ago.

That's okay though, we even have prizes for our contestants that don't get the grand prize so that everyone can feel like a winner. For all your trouble and sincere arguing, you win...

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I was actually not being genuine from the moment I first responded to Parokki. The last sentence of that post should have been a dead give away. You still took the bait... hook, line, and sinker.



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