Are you kidding me?  You can get Castle Crashers, Trials HD, Limbo, and Braid for 4400 points, and combined they are barely over half a gig. 

I could probably spend 20,000 MS points and not fill up decent sized flash drive...

Wasn't there a huge controversy about needing an actual Xbox 360 hard drive to play Halo: Reach's online co-op? Apparently a flash drive or the 4 GB internal flash that comes with the Slim won't suffice for online co-op.

If you are getting an Xbox 360 to play online co-op, don't get the 4 GB Slim because you won't be able to play online co-op. Wait it out, save up the extra $100 plus tax and get the 250 GB model.

I'm one of those gamers that bought the Xbox 360 Arcade first and then bought the hard drive after. Luckily for me, the $110 60 GB Xbox Live Starter Pack (60 GB hard drive headset 3 months xbl gold ethernet cable. HD AV cables not included but I use HDMI so I didn't need them) was actually kinda reasonably priced at the time considering that the 60 GB Pro at the time was going for $100 more than the Arcade then. But nowadays if you were to buy the hard drive seperately, it's a total rip-off. 250 GB hard drive = $150. So in the end you'd end up paying $50 more. To gamers who don't live with the rents and don't have that much income, $300 is a lot of dough to spend in one shot so it's good that Microsoft offers a $200 sku. But online co-op is such a vital experience for the Xbox 360's core audience. And the Xbox 360 is so infamous for scratching discs (though the newer models might have fixed this issue) that going without HD installs doesn't seem worth it.

Ideally MS should let you use third-party hard drives in your Xbox 360 like the PS3 does. But I'd imagine that profit margins on the $200 Xbox are thin (compared to the $300 Xbox 360 and PS3. The $300 PS3 Slim is profitable for Sony and considering that the Xbox 360 doesn't have Blu-Ray, M$ must be making a good penny with their $300 250 GB 360). So I don't blame Microsoft for their tactics. They need to cover costs. And if everyone bought the $200 Xbox and installed their own hard drives, Microsoft probably wouldn't be making shit profit-wise. Microsoft isn't a charity. They're in the console gaming business to make money.

Nice ownage by Thranx, Barozi and De85 on how much room is needed to spend 4000points.

I see this bundle being a good deal for many a current 360 fat owner. Being that you can fairly easily take your old HDD and use it on the 4GB slim. I have a friend who bought a 120GB Elite about a year ago or so who wants a slim real bad. When I told him about using the old HDD he got a little excited. I think when I tell him about this, he'll pull the trigger.

I mean it seems pretty obvious that MS is trying to hook people and get them to buy their over-priced HDDs, nothing new here. Some bitching randoms online aren't gonna change that.

Anyone else notice in the picture that one of the controllers had a black d-pad and thumb sticks and the other has gray?

Huh I was under the impression 50 bucks would get you a decent amount of games that were a decent size, guess not, should of realized the live store was as much a rip off as live

So you're defending a corrupt company who already makes billions off of scamming people for nickel and dimming you? What is wrong with you 360 fans

There are some larger games out there, but to suggest that you can't find 50 bucks worth of good yet small games is laughable.  Stop being purposefully obtuse.

250gb slim hd is like 60€. That is not " a ton".

How does XBOX Live cost Microsoft nothin....All them servers arent cheap I'm sure

4000 points ain't nothin if u buyin arcade games, with most of the good ones running from 800-1200 Microsoft Points
u dunce

They don't have game servers, their match making servers cost something I guess, and if you count the store that would probably cost more (but even silver users get the store) so yeah nothing is an exaggeration but not by much