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Carl2291 said:

I've said this time and time again.

The Wii userbase buys the "crap" that 3rd parties keep putting on the system.

When they decide to make an effort, the effort usually doesn't seem to pay off. Cases in point, MadWorld, The Conduit, Red Steel 2. I could go on and on. Why would you put time, effort and money into a big Action Adventure (for example) title when you can put minimal time, effort and money into a game like Carnival Games that the Wii userbase will just eat up?

It now also seems they don't want Nintendo's core efforts all that much (See Punch-Out!! and Metroid Other M, which is far below Nintendo's expectations)

It honestly also doesn't help when Nintendo themselves only ever seem to advertise the system to children, old people, people having parties and mums who want to get fit.

 

Nintendo are as much to blame for the Wii's 3rd party situation as anyone else. When you purposely put your full attention on a certain market for 4 straight years, what do you expect developers to put on your system?  At least Sony and Microsoft advertise the PS3/360 to both "core" and "casual" crowds with games ranging from Uncharted/Halo/God of War/Gears of War to games like Little Big Planet/Viva Pinata/EyePet/Banjo Kazooie.


This.

I've always said that while Nintendo is in competition with Sony and MS and vice versa, Nintendo is going for a different segment of the market.  That's how any market analyst would have seen it as well.  The gaming market has grown enough that there can be different segments.  It's a good thing for the industry (bad for fanboys).  Seeing how the generation played out and watching Nintendo's conferences, I support what I've said from the beginning.  I think next generation, they are going to try to bring the "core" back.  We are already seeing that with the 3DS - with the price slightly high for the casual market, IMO. 

 

It comes down to the fact that the HD consoles provided the numbers that the third parties wanted for the kind of games many want on the Wii. 



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Weekly sales history for NBA Jam (Wii)

Summary of weekly unit sales from launch broken down by region (for first 20 weeks of sale)

Week Americas Japan EMEAA Worldwide Running Total
1 20,127 N/A N/A 20,127 20,127
Totals: 20,127 0 0 20,127


I have a serious ?  what AAA games do the Wii owners want?? Have some ever considered that those AAA games you see on HDs simply cannot be done on the WII and if it was it wouldnt be close to the quality of the original game. (Dead Rising and Force unleashed come to mind)  I mean the WII is about as powerful as an original XBOX thats not close to the HDs in term of power so devs are limited on what they can do on it and thats not even considering they have to learn that Wiimote which it in itself is also somewhat limited in the accuracy dept (REd Steel 1) comes to mind



@FinalEvangelion  some of these guys conviently forgot when Nintendo said that very same thing at the beginning of the gen. Instead of just simply getting an additional system so they could enjoy the games they want so bad, they expect devs to ignore the large casual family fanbase that enjoys the "shovelware" they make and bend over backwards to make games that the Wii was never really intended to support in the first place. its insane



oniyide said:

I have a serious ?  what AAA games do the Wii owners want?? Have some ever considered that those AAA games you see on HDs simply cannot be done on the WII and if it was it wouldnt be close to the quality of the original game. (Dead Rising and Force unleashed come to mind)  I mean the WII is about as powerful as an original XBOX thats not close to the HDs in term of power so devs are limited on what they can do on it and thats not even considering they have to learn that Wiimote which it in itself is also somewhat limited in the accuracy dept (REd Steel 1) comes to mind

I think that Wii owners want the same AAA content as the HD twins.  Granted things will never look the same and your point about not every game being able to be done on the Wii is valid.  The online wouldn't be the same either.  With those limitations in mind, you look at a game like Modern Warfare: Reflex edition and what it was able to accomplish on the Wii and you start wondering why most AAA games couldn't be ported.  I mean I've beaten that game on 360 and the Wii and the experience and content was all there.  I prefer pointer controls so I probably even had a little more fun with the Wii version.  The caveats were there with the online and the graphics obviously but the core experience was very much in tact.

We see a game like Metroid Prime 3 and wonder why no other developer can get similar performance in both control, gameplay, and graphics.  I thought Red Steel 2 was a great game and I bought it day 1.  Too bad it had limited advertising and frankly I think most people wrote it off because of the first game.

Even looking back at the last generation of consoles, seeing the complex games they put onto them makes you wonder why they couldn't do the same for the Wii.  It's not going to happen at this point and I think Wii owners should stop belly aching about it (I finally did), but it doesn't make my points any less valid.



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@Umos-cmos  fair enough I also bought RS2 day one with the motion and people didnt give that game a fair shake,but even thought the game didnt get any ads a core gamer who goes on a damn gaming website knew about the game??? So what was there excuse.   I think the problem was that the Wii was so different that they didnt know what to do. PS3 had a similar problem early on with devs not knowing how to use the system but the learned. With the Wii they can get away with putting some crap together and selling regardless, that audience dont really cares.

I think its just easier for devs to make these shovelware games. There cheaper to make and get more profit. Even if they make these AAA games the casual grandma soccer mom is not gonna care and for better or worse they are the majority of WII owners. I dont know why some Wii owners cant accept this and let it go. Enjoy the little bit of "good" 3rd party games the Wii does get and Ninty games.



oniyide said:

@Umos-cmos  fair enough I also bought RS2 day one with the motion and people didnt give that game a fair shake,but even thought the game didnt get any ads a core gamer who goes on a damn gaming website knew about the game??? So what was there excuse.   I think the problem was that the Wii was so different that they didnt know what to do. PS3 had a similar problem early on with devs not knowing how to use the system but the learned. With the Wii they can get away with putting some crap together and selling regardless, that audience dont really cares.

I think its just easier for devs to make these shovelware games. There cheaper to make and get more profit. Even if they make these AAA games the casual grandma soccer mom is not gonna care and for better or worse they are the majority of WII owners. I dont know why some Wii owners cant accept this and let it go. Enjoy the little bit of "good" 3rd party games the Wii does get and Ninty games.

Agreed.  The point is moot now.  Developers hedged their bets on the HD consoles and the rest is history.  I enjoy the great 3rd party games that do come out now and again and know that I've always got Samus, Mario and Link to keep me company on a cold winters night. (-:  For that reason I will ALWAYS own a Nintendo console.  I will probably own at least one other console but Nintendo is an automatic for me.



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oniyide said:

@lordtheknight  thats exactly the case. your comparing one game being put on 360 compared to the literally hundreds of shovelware games on WII???? how much exercise games are on WII??? minigame compilations??? tennis games, deer hunter games, Imaginez games??? A lot because that is what sells on WII??? its no diff. than HD console games and FPSs MW2 did millions and everyone is scrambling to get a piece of that FPS pie. THere are so much FPSs coming out in the next year its disgusting. Look at any media when something explodes, when reality TV exploded everyone was trying to make a me too TV show


I wasn't comparing. I was just stating that of the copies of Just Dance, which is specifically something you claimed would get flooded on the Wii, the first copy of any note (as in something we have actually heard of without having to look) is not on the Wii.

Basically the other motion controllers are just inviting shovelware, due to the hope of attracting the Wii crowd.



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MrT-Tar said:

Who else finds it ironic that given Wii's piss poor decent 3rd party support, it's managed to achieve exclusivity on what is possibly the biggest 3rd party home console exclusive this gen after MGS4? 

Exclusives have never been Wii's problem, indeed I think a good case could be made that Wii has the best exclusive 3rd party lineup of the current home consoles.  Wii's problem is very much in it's low-fi architecture making it miss out on multiplatform ports, it just doesn't have enough core filler content to really round out the library.



Carl2291 said:
iasta said:

Madworld is a niche brawler, with really short playtime and no replay value. It would have bombed in HD too... like Bayonetta did on the HD (they are from the same studio).

I just want to lol hard at this.

Hold on...

looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

There!

FYI, Bayonetta has sold over 1.4 Million units in under a year, and a sequel is being planned... That game didn't bomb.

According to NPD, Bayonetta PS3 sold slightly less than MadWorld in the US (60k vs 66k 1st months, and consider that Bayo had 2 more weeks of tracking).  I don't think Bayonetta bombed, but it was considered a relative disappointment outside Japan when sales watchers were looking at it's debut... a lot like MadWorld actually.  Platinum seems to be carrying the Clover curse imo.