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thranx on 16 October 2010
unknown_soul89 said:
thranx said:
Boy that flew over your head. His point was why expect Microsoft to have no shortages when sony, and nintendo do.

 

That makes no sense, for a store to be sold out before a console launches every single shipped unit has to have been sold already (pre orders) meaning anyone who wants to buy it without a pre-order can't, which means automatic shortages, unless the whole sold out thing is just pure BS


Have you read anything in here? It is about pre orders being sold out



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unknown_soul89 on 16 October 2010
kowenicki said:
unknown_soul89 said:
kowenicki said:
DirtyP2002 said:
unknown_soul89 said:

So still no actual numbers on how much it sold and ps move still outselling it on amazon, something tells me neither supply nor demand is as wide spread as MS would have us believe 
  • game.co.uk
  • play.com
  • amazon.co.uk
  • gamestop.com
  • bestbuy.com
  • newegg.com

are or were all sold out. I think this is quite massive.

MS said 30,000 stores in the US will sell Kinect. 7,000 stores will have a midnight launch.
There will be more kinects in UK than Xbox 360s at launch. The Xbox 360 sold 70k consoles in 2 days in UK.

MS expected to sell 3 million Kinects in 2010.

So we get MUCH more data from MS than Sony for PS Move. All Sony said is: PS Move sales will be slow, but it will get somehow momentum.

All of this information and the anecdotal evidence we have thus far leads me to believe there is something very wrong with the tracking of kinect in the pre-order charts.

The lack of any actual numbers is what concerns me, this whole thing just doesn't seem to add up

i see that...

But 7000 stores in the US alone doing a midnight launch.... they clearly expect something big to happen, these stores have their own pre-order numbers and will be acting accordingly.  I doubt a store with 10 or 20 pre-orders would open at midnight.

Why they open with alot less, and with all the hype and advertisement MS is pouring money into I'd be surprised if they didn't have midnight launch, hell move had a  few midnight launches and no1 even knew it was out yet 



unknown_soul89 on 16 October 2010
thranx said:
unknown_soul89 said:
thranx said:
Boy that flew over your head. His point was why expect Microsoft to have no shortages when sony, and nintendo do.

 

That makes no sense, for a store to be sold out before a console launches every single shipped unit has to have been sold already (pre orders) meaning anyone who wants to buy it without a pre-order can't, which means automatic shortages, unless the whole sold out thing is just pure BS


Have you read anything in here? It is about pre orders being sold out

Yeah why wouldn't they want more pre-orders? Theres no reason for it, the whole idea of pre-orders being sold out is ridicules 



thranx on 16 October 2010

as earlier, I guve up trying to explain it all. You just don't seem to understand. That is ok. We will get real numbers when it releases and maybe I will pick up the convo again then.



unknown_soul89 on 16 October 2010
kowenicki said:
unknown_soul89 said:
thranx said:
Boy that flew over your head. His point was why expect Microsoft to have no shortages when sony, and nintendo do.

 

That makes no sense, for a store to be sold out before a console launches every single shipped unit has to have been sold already (pre orders) meaning anyone who wants to buy it without a pre-order can't, which means automatic shortages, unless the whole sold out thing is just pure BS

which is what can happen when you do a hardware launch with an almost simultaneously world-wide release.

It also happened with the 360, was out of stock almost permanently in the UK from November 05 to January 06. 

The only way to be sold out on pre-orders is to have a shortage, why do these people think they can eat their cake and have it too? 



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daroamer on 16 October 2010
unknown_soul89 said:
thranx said:
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thranx said:
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thranx said:
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thranx said:
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thranx said:
unknown_soul89 said:

So still no actual numbers on how much it sold and ps move still outselling it on amazon, something tells me neither supply nor demand is as wide spread as MS would have us believe 


It hasn't even released yet. As far as I know amazon is sold out of pre orders so no one can buy it there any more. Could be wrong on the amazon part.

how the hell can you be sold out on preorders, preorders are what companies use to judge how many to ship, unless theres serious shortage of them being made I don't see how thats possible, so the sold out is definitely on the supply end of the chain 


Do you understand how production and distribution work? Or what exactly are you trying to say? That they should be able to meet all demand day one?

A multi billion dollar company with hundreds of factories, yep unless the demand is ridiculasly high(several million for day one, which obviously isn't the case), so the problem is on the supply end, either MS is with holding them or their launching it before their ready again and kinect's failrate is going to end up being similar to the 360s at launch 

How many factories does MS own? 100's? I think they actually own none ( I could be wrong). They more likely contract out their hardware work. From your post it just seems you really do not understand production and distribution and I don't have the time to make a post explaining it. Maybe someone else does. But you need to look at how companies actually get things produced. Most compaiones do not own their own factories but lease or contract factories out on an as needed basis, usually said factories are located in China.

If you are right that just makes my point all the stronger, they can just rent/contract more if they need to, MS has the money 


You must not get business or investment or supply and demand at all. Its not just snap fingers and its done. I'll end it here maybe someone else will pick up my slack in explaing the ins and outs of business to you.

Right because companies never want jobs, MS has had months to do it, if they wanted more units they could of had them made, it's as simple as that 


Look at the launch of the ps3, iphone, ipad, wii, etc

what about them, if you want to make a point, I find it best to make it 

First round of iPhone 4 preorders sold out



unknown_soul89 on 16 October 2010
daroamer said:
First round of iPhone 4 preorders sold out

You're really bad at making a point you know that



unknown_soul89 on 16 October 2010
thranx said:

as earlier, I guve up trying to explain it all. You just don't seem to understand. That is ok. We will get real numbers when it releases and maybe I will pick up the convo again then.

No you don't understand preorders sold out = supply not meeting demand, aka shortages, and since kinects demand isn't that high, MS is either making it look high by holding back or started making them too late and will probably have a massive failrate



daroamer on 16 October 2010
unknown_soul89 said:
daroamer said:
First round of iPhone 4 preorders sold out

You're really bad at making a point you know that

No, I think you're just really bad at understanding things (or diliberatly being obtuse which judging from your past posting history is more likely).   Everything you said could have applied to Apple and the iphone 4:

"If you are right that just makes my point all the stronger, they can just rent/contract more if they need to, Apple has the money "


"Right because companies never want jobs, Apple has had months to do it, if they wanted more units they could of had them made, it's as simple as that "

Learn how business and distribution works before making a bigger fool of yourself.

(Also, there is no such phrase as "could OF", it's could HAVE or could've.)



unknown_soul89 on 16 October 2010
daroamer said:
unknown_soul89 said:
daroamer said:
First round of iPhone 4 preorders sold out

You're really bad at making a point you know that

No, I think you're just really bad at understanding things (or diliberatly being obtuse which judging from your past posting history is more likely).   Everything you said could have applied to Apple and the iphone 4:

"If you are right that just makes my point all the stronger, they can just rent/contract more if they need to, Apple has the money "


"Right because companies never want jobs, Apple has had months to do it, if they wanted more units they could of had them made, it's as simple as that "

Learn how business and distribution works before making a bigger fool of yourself.

(Also, there is no such phrase as "could OF", it's could HAVE or could've.)

Thats your point, you do realize that the demand for iphone was like 30 times the demand for kinect right? I said several times either MS isn't making enough or the demand is massive which isn't the case, in the Iphones case the demand was Massive, and they still did a pretty good job of meeting it but there were still some shortages, guess the reason I couldn't understand your point is because I though you had a half decent one