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Wii 'could be in trouble' post-Christmas - Iwata

Wii will continue to be s... 69 17.97%
 
It's true Wii has peaked 193 50.26%
 
Let's hope not 25 6.51%
 
Wii will be on the market for years to come 33 8.59%
 
We need Super Wii 64 16.67%
 
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axt113 on 18 October 2010

trestres said: axt113 said: trestres said: So what can you say about Wii Music, Wario Land Shake It?? I guess Nintendo should abandon 2D scrollers and Wii Series games. No just those two games, because there are plenty of examples of 2D scrollers and Wii games doing great, Wii Party may also be a game that should be abandoned (at least in the west), if its sales don't pick up And then if I can't generalize that 2D scrollers and Wii series games don't sell based on those examples I gave you, then why can you generalize that 3D games don't sell? Make up your mind...  

 

 

Can you name the last 3D core game that sold Wiis?  I can't, Galaxy didn't Other M didn't, TP didn't, hence my point



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Khuutra on 19 October 2010
axt113 said:
Khuutra said:

I sliced out the unimportant parts; I will mention, though, that multiplats and the Playstations and such are important. We are not discussing Nintendo alone, we are discussing what sells.

This qualifies as a "yes", by the way.

Next question:

Would you agree that games are what sell systems, that people buy systems that have the games they want to play?

Actually no, from the beginning I was discussing Nintendo, I don't really care what sells on the HD systems, as they are trying for different things than Nintendo is.

 Some games sell systems (FYI, we're still talking Nintendo here), other games don't, and the games that sell systems are the ones people buy them for, like it was Wii sports that sold the Wii initially, they don't buy systems for games like Galaxy and TP and Other M and they won't buy it for skyward,  those games are just for having more games in your library.

Am I right in taking this as a "yes"? That games are what sell systems.



trestres on 19 October 2010
axt113 said:
trestres said:
axt113 said:
trestres said:

So what can you say about Wii Music, Wario Land Shake It?? I guess Nintendo should abandon 2D scrollers and Wii Series games.


No just those two games, because there are plenty of examples of 2D scrollers and Wii games doing great, Wii Party may also be a game that should be abandoned (at least in the west), if its sales don't pick up


And then if I can't generalize that 2D scrollers and Wii series games don't sell based on those examples I gave you, then why can you generalize that 3D games don't sell? Make up your mind...


Can you name the last 3D core game that sold Wiis?

I already listed 2D sidescrollers and Wii Series games that didn't sell, your argument is already invalid. You presented your argument as if those games obligatorily sold consoles while 3D ones didn't. If I could find an exception about those 2 genres not moving systems, then the opposite can be said for 3D games. There will be exceptions to the "rule" where 3D games move systems. So nintendo is not doing anything wrong.



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axt113 on 19 October 2010
Khuutra said:
axt113 said:
Khuutra said:

I sliced out the unimportant parts; I will mention, though, that multiplats and the Playstations and such are important. We are not discussing Nintendo alone, we are discussing what sells.

This qualifies as a "yes", by the way.

Next question:

Would you agree that games are what sell systems, that people buy systems that have the games they want to play?

Actually no, from the beginning I was discussing Nintendo, I don't really care what sells on the HD systems, as they are trying for different things than Nintendo is.

 Some games sell systems (FYI, we're still talking Nintendo here), other games don't, and the games that sell systems are the ones people buy them for, like it was Wii sports that sold the Wii initially, they don't buy systems for games like Galaxy and TP and Other M and they won't buy it for skyward,  those games are just for having more games in your library.

Am I right in taking this as a "yes"? That games are what sell systems.


No, cause not all do, saying games sell systems, lumps those that don't in with those that do

 

System sellers sell systems is more accurate, if a bit circular sounding



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axt113 on 19 October 2010
trestres said:
axt113 said:
trestres said:
axt113 said:
trestres said:

So what can you say about Wii Music, Wario Land Shake It?? I guess Nintendo should abandon 2D scrollers and Wii Series games.


No just those two games, because there are plenty of examples of 2D scrollers and Wii games doing great, Wii Party may also be a game that should be abandoned (at least in the west), if its sales don't pick up


And then if I can't generalize that 2D scrollers and Wii series games don't sell based on those examples I gave you, then why can you generalize that 3D games don't sell? Make up your mind...


Can you name the last 3D core game that sold Wiis?

I already listed 2D sidescrollers and Wii Series games that didn't sell, your argument is already invalid. You presented your argument as if those games obligatorily sold consoles while 3D ones didn't. If I could find an exception about those 2 genres not moving systems, then the opposite can be said for 3D games. There will be exceptions to the "rule" where 3D games move systems. So nintendo is not doing anything wrong.


No, because I've pointed to ones that do, you haven;t points to ones of core games that do,  see, that's why my argument isn't invalid, because while there are failure of 2d and expanded audience, there aren't successes on 3D core



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trestres on 19 October 2010
axt113 said:
trestres said:
axt113 said:
trestres said:
axt113 said:
trestres said:

So what can you say about Wii Music, Wario Land Shake It?? I guess Nintendo should abandon 2D scrollers and Wii Series games.


No just those two games, because there are plenty of examples of 2D scrollers and Wii games doing great, Wii Party may also be a game that should be abandoned (at least in the west), if its sales don't pick up


And then if I can't generalize that 2D scrollers and Wii series games don't sell based on those examples I gave you, then why can you generalize that 3D games don't sell? Make up your mind...


Can you name the last 3D core game that sold Wiis?

I already listed 2D sidescrollers and Wii Series games that didn't sell, your argument is already invalid. You presented your argument as if those games obligatorily sold consoles while 3D ones didn't. If I could find an exception about those 2 genres not moving systems, then the opposite can be said for 3D games. There will be exceptions to the "rule" where 3D games move systems. So nintendo is not doing anything wrong.


No, because I've pointed to ones that do, you haven;t points to ones of core games that do,  see, that's why my argument isn't invalid, because while there are failure of 2d and expanded audience, there aren't successes on 3D core

Off the top of my head, MHTri pushed a lot of consoles in Japan.



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axt113 on 19 October 2010
trestres said:
axt113 said:
trestres said:
axt113 said:
trestres said:
axt113 said:
trestres said:

So what can you say about Wii Music, Wario Land Shake It?? I guess Nintendo should abandon 2D scrollers and Wii Series games.


No just those two games, because there are plenty of examples of 2D scrollers and Wii games doing great, Wii Party may also be a game that should be abandoned (at least in the west), if its sales don't pick up


And then if I can't generalize that 2D scrollers and Wii series games don't sell based on those examples I gave you, then why can you generalize that 3D games don't sell? Make up your mind...


Can you name the last 3D core game that sold Wiis?

I already listed 2D sidescrollers and Wii Series games that didn't sell, your argument is already invalid. You presented your argument as if those games obligatorily sold consoles while 3D ones didn't. If I could find an exception about those 2 genres not moving systems, then the opposite can be said for 3D games. There will be exceptions to the "rule" where 3D games move systems. So nintendo is not doing anything wrong.


No, because I've pointed to ones that do, you haven;t points to ones of core games that do,  see, that's why my argument isn't invalid, because while there are failure of 2d and expanded audience, there aren't successes on 3D core

Off the top of my head, MHTri pushed a lot of consoles in Japan.


Not really, only boosted Wii sales for three weeks, for about 100-120K total unit boost, if that's the best example, it kind of illustrates my point



Rumors indicate that it is planning on following the first approach, sticking a new, motion-sensitive controller onto an existing console. Our perspective is that this is the worst of the three options.

-Clayton Christensen back in 2007 already knew Move would be a bad idea

trestres on 19 October 2010
axt113 said:
trestres said:
axt113 said:
trestres said:
axt113 said:
trestres said:
axt113 said:
trestres said:

So what can you say about Wii Music, Wario Land Shake It?? I guess Nintendo should abandon 2D scrollers and Wii Series games.


No just those two games, because there are plenty of examples of 2D scrollers and Wii games doing great, Wii Party may also be a game that should be abandoned (at least in the west), if its sales don't pick up


And then if I can't generalize that 2D scrollers and Wii series games don't sell based on those examples I gave you, then why can you generalize that 3D games don't sell? Make up your mind...


Can you name the last 3D core game that sold Wiis?

I already listed 2D sidescrollers and Wii Series games that didn't sell, your argument is already invalid. You presented your argument as if those games obligatorily sold consoles while 3D ones didn't. If I could find an exception about those 2 genres not moving systems, then the opposite can be said for 3D games. There will be exceptions to the "rule" where 3D games move systems. So nintendo is not doing anything wrong.


No, because I've pointed to ones that do, you haven;t points to ones of core games that do,  see, that's why my argument isn't invalid, because while there are failure of 2d and expanded audience, there aren't successes on 3D core

Off the top of my head, MHTri pushed a lot of consoles in Japan.


Not really, only boosted Wii sales for three weeks, for about 100-120K total unit boost, if that's the best example, it kind of illustrates my point

Lol, you are always changing the parameters of what does and what doesn't sell. Soon enough it will be something like "Only games that exist sell".



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axt113 on 19 October 2010
trestres said:

Lol, you are always changing the parameters of what does and what doesn't sell. Soon enough it will be something like "Only games that exist sell".


How am I changing the parameters, shall we compare Tri to NSMB or Wii fit?



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numonex on 19 October 2010

Why have the Wii hardware sales fallen so dramatically? The software sales of the Wii have fallen as well in line with the decline of the hardware sales. Loyal Nintendo fans make up the bulk of software purchases. Decline in casual gamers buying new Wii systems in 2010 has had an adverse impact on Nintendo sales.

Some reasons I believe are behind the Wii's hardware and software sales decline:

1. The competition has increased its momentum and made changes to be more competitive with the Wii. Prices of the PS3 and the 360 are closing in on the Wii's low price. Compatitive advantage has been neutralised.

2. The Wii has a lack of third party support. 360 and PS3 have strong third party developer support. There are limitations to the Wii hardware which limits the possibility of a 360 or PS3 game being directly ported to the Wii. 

3. Both the 360 and PS3 have more longevity in regards to extending their life spans and have multi-purposes. 360 and PS3 have pushed into the casual gamer market.

4. Wii peaked in its second year and sales have tapered off as the competition has strengthened and the Wii loses its price advantage over both PS3 and 360. Wii is almost four years old and well its sales are tapering off. Wii is still ahead of 360 and PS3 individually in year to year sales. Wii's days of beating 360 and PS3 combined in yearly sales are finished. Wii has now fallen behind both PS3 and 360 in weekly sales. The Wii sales have peaked and sales are falling in all regions across the board. 

5. A new Wii system with more powerful graphical and computer processing capabilities are needed. Nintendo needs to garner third party support to ensure its long term success. 

Wii 2.0 with the processing and graphical power equivalent that of the 360 or PS3 would be ideal. New Nintendo system could garner third party support and get a head start over its competition. 

The Wiis success has been the introduction of motion control that has captured the casual games market and appealed to disgruntled Nintendo fans who were disappointed with both the GameCube and Nintendo 64 of previous generations. 

The Wii peaked with sales of 25 million in 2008 and 20 million in 2007 and 2009. Reaching 20 million sales again in a year for the Wii is out of reach. The new Wii should be the first next gen system if Nintendo wants to keep ahead of the competition.  

Moderate weekly sales may be expected into 2011 and beyond unless there is another price cut. Price cut may be a temporary fix to slowing sales. Wii sales will peak at Xmas with a late rally in November and December but down on previous years sales.