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GORGAN, Iran – President Ahmadinejad announced on Tuesday that the West is trying to turn the September 11 attacks into another Holocaust so that nobody dares to question the issues surrounding it. 

http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=227948




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MontanaHatchet said:

If I'm going to lurk from time to time, can I not see Numonex's threads in Off Topic? He has got to be the most fucking retarded person this site has ever had.


I agree with the first part, but the second is iffy.  He's got OoSnap to contend with on that one.  Sometimes I almost feel like every new thread they make is just attempting to out-stupid the others previous thread.



http://infidelsarecool.com/2010/09/22/ahmadinejad-attacking-iran-will-cause-a-war-with-no-limits/

Of course he coudn’t go without denying the Holocaust again…

"Mr Ahmadinejad was again questioned about the killing of millions of Jews in Nazi death camps during the Second World War.

He described it as “a historical event used to create a pretext for war.”

“The question is, why don’t we allow this subject to be examined further…. It is incorrect to force only one view on the rest of the world,” he was quoted as saying.

“We need to ask, where did this event occur, and why should the Palestinian people continue to suffer for it? I am not an anti-Semite. I am anti-Zionism,” he said."



In my opinion there is something wrong about the definition of "holocaust denial".

The term suggests that a "holocaust denier" completely denies that the holocaust even occured. The official definition however is going  far beyond that: It's already considered "Holocaust denial" if someone only questions the official number of 6 million jews killed, or if someone says the holocaust wasn't that unique because there were similar mass murderings in history.

In my country (germany) that's the definition of "holocaust denial" and you can go to jail for several years for "holocaust denial". I think such laws are bad and in fact counterproductive, because if people cannot legally express their doubts about the official version, you cannot explain them and it only leads to conspiracy theories etc. For example, I can understand that some people think that the total number of jews killed by the Nazis may actually have been quite a bit lower than the official number:

The official number of jews killed has always been 6 million. And up until the mid-80s, the official number of people killed in Auschwitz was 4.3 million. (I remember that still in 1992 when I was visiting a concentration camp with my school class we were told that number). Nowadays however it is proven that the number of people killed in Auschwitz was only about 1.2 million. So I can understand that some people may think "Wait a minute - if the number of people killed in Auschwitz was overestimated by 3 millions for decades, wouldn't that mean that the total number of jews killed was overestimated as well?" There was never any public debate about this (at least in my country), probably because questioning the official number alone could lead to going to jail. It was never publically explained as well, in fact I think only few people even know that the number of people killed in Auschwitz was overestimated for decades. That makes perfect breeding ground for conspiracy theories...



libellule said:
 

arf, answering to you, I was looking to such a video where we were able to see the top of the building
thank you for providing me this one

also : "Of course the upper part of the tower would also collapse in the opposite direction when it hit the ground under pretty much the same mechanics."

what di u mean ?



I mean instead of having the momentum of it falling going downwards it had the equivalent force going upwards as its momentum was stopped by the ground, causing fairly well the same effects (floor by floor collapse) except in the opposite direction.

Edit: @Arnold. Actually the 4M at Auschwitz was considered wrong by western historians from basically the start, it was basically the official Soviet figure because it was good propaganda.  The change came with the collapse of Communism.



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numonex said:
If the Jews are so certain about their Holocaust, then why they do not allow any debate or any questions of their version? Why is the holocaust the only event which it is illegal to question? Questioning the holocaust is like questioning Christianity during the Inquisition. It is the only event not based on any facts and just a series of testimonies, many of which have been refuted and do not corroborate each other.

What are they trying to hide? Is the only way they can hide the truth is by making it illegal to ask the question? Its the lie on which 100s of billions of dollars have been swindled, and the whole nation of Palestine stolen. What about the untold Palestinian Holocaust all perpetrated to profit the Zionist cause? Imperialist wars to take over by conflict when political negotiation consent does not work. 

More and more people question the Holocaust and all the other huge events carried out in the name of Zion Imperialism. Time is running out for the Chosen people. 
Controversial David Irving dares to question the Holocaust. He has revealed that only 1 million Jews were killed, 6 million is a fabrication of the truth. Irving was sentenced to 3 years in prison in Austria, he served one year in prison for denying the Holocaust. He was only questioning the Holocaust and trying to find the truth.  

Several things here:
* What makes you think VGChartz, a place for videogames (it does have an OT area, true) is a platform for you to vent about every single subject under the sun, taking positions that will only iritate people?

* Does 1 million Jews dying in the Holocaust somehow make it acceptable, over 6 million?  Does force encampment in horrible conditions, and loss of possessions, to outtight extermination, acceptable?

 

Anyone have the over/under on how many more of these subjects num will create over the next 30 days?



The Auschwitz figure was reduced to close to a mil in the early 80s...totals still stood because it wasn't all death camps victims. Though I don't find it surprising to find out 4mil was still taught in the 90s in Germany, I did find the whole silence thing there about the issue oppressive indeed.



Rath said:
libellule said:
 

arf, answering to you, I was looking to such a video where we were able to see the top of the building
thank you for providing me this one

also : "Of course the upper part of the tower would also collapse in the opposite direction when it hit the ground under pretty much the same mechanics."

what di u mean ?



I mean instead of having the momentum of it falling going downwards it had the equivalent force going upwards as its momentum was stopped by the ground, causing fairly well the same effects (floor by floor collapse) except in the opposite direction.

Edit: @Arnold. Actually the 4M at Auschwitz was considered wrong by western historians from basically the start, it was basically the official Soviet figure because it was good propaganda.  The change came with the collapse of Communism.

I'm pretty sure that number was testified at Nuremberg by the commanding officer of Auschwitz.



themanwithnoname's law: As an America's sales or NPD thread grows longer, the probabilty of the comment "America = World" [sarcasticly] being made approaches 1.

Ok, one thing people need to be wondering about is the sinking of the Titanic coverup.  How come no one is discussing this?

 



 

A bit big, sorry.

Just for the  guy who talked aboutexoskeleton.

I would say, this is a massive steelstrukture...



 

 

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