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I am a fan of David Irving and Alex Jones, etc who dare to question what we are not allowed to question. Main stream media: Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly, etc.... are not always right to shut down people who ask politically incorrect questions. 

I admit to being a conspiracy theorist/kook/pin head. Critical thinking is discouraged within a conservative "rose tinted" society. Political correctness mumbo jumbo is  socially engineered censorship that inhibits upon free speech. 

Unjust wars are always being fought where one strong Imperialist Empire can plunder the treasures of a weaker nation. Vietnam War  and others wars were not allowed to be questioned. Anti-war protests are always ignored. 



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libellule said:

hi Rath,

so weird

planes are on 1 side at 1 level and they will change the temperature of the whole building ? at the same rate ?

the vertical "demolition collapse" is REALLY intriguing to me

and can you explain me the tower 7 demolition ?

It only requires the weakening of a single level for the building to collapse in that way, the one level collapses and that causes a chain reaction as each floor collapses under the momentum of the rest of them - the 'pancake' effect you can see in the videos.

The plane had enough velocity to spread fuel and fire throughout basically the entire level of the building which is all that was required.

 

Also I don't know anything about the collapse of tower 7, so you'll have to ask somebody else on that one.



numonex said:

I am a fan of David Irving and Alex Jones, etc who dare to question what we are not allowed to question. Main stream media: Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly, etc.... are not always right to shut down people who ask politically incorrect questions. 

I admit to being a conspiracy theorist/kook/pin head. Critical thinking is discouraged within a conservative "rose tinted" society. Political correctness mumbo jumbo is  socially engineered censorship that inhibits upon free speech. 

Unjust wars are being fought where one strong Imperialist Empire can plunder the treasures of a weaker nation. Vietnam War  and others wars were not allowed to be questioned. Anti-war protests are always ignored. 

 

I like conspiracy theory stuff as entertainment and different view on the news. I understand looking at it from a different lens. I apologize if you think I called you a derogatory name. I never intend to name call because it is the gutter form of arguing and if you name call, you lose the discussion by default.

Likewise, I did not intend to imply guilt by association. My criticism of David Irving applies to all other sources who are racist, antisemitic, religious hating, and supporters of dictatorial regimes. They are not credible sources because of their hateful views. I am pointing it out to discredit them, not link anyone into a guilt by association.

I like your posts because they always have thinking behind them and come from a different view. What I do request when I comment is evidence for serious claims such as the truth behind 9/11. The film "Loose Change" took a seriously look at 9/11 and has brought forth credible questions. Whether those questions and their accompanying answers are adequate evidence depends on your point of view.

As for "one strong Imperialist Empire," one would do well to shift their gaze to other emerging or re-emerging empires such as China. What China is doing in Asia regarding Tibet, their stance toward Japan, and Taiwan warrants criticism just as much as my country's foreign policies warrant criticism internally and externally.

However, I am a realist when it comes to foreign affairs. If regional powers would be honest in saying "we are invading x because of y," then people would disagree, but not to the visceral state they did with the Iraq War. Reading the 9/11 Commission Report, it was evident from day 1 during the transition from Clinton to Bush 2, Condoleeza Rice was asking questions regarding Iraq and Saddamn Hussein trying to link him in any way with terrorism. 9/11 and evidence that has been falsified years after the start of the war was the reason.

Lets also not forget, all US Senators, US Congressman and even Tony Blair were complicit in the Iraq War by not taking a harder stance on the evidence leading up to the Iraq War. Out of all involved, all have blood on their hands.



Rath said:
libellule said:
 

hi Rath,

so weird

planes are on 1 side at 1 level and they will change the temperature of the whole building ? at the same rate ?

the vertical "demolition collapse" is REALLY intriguing to me

and can you explain me the tower 7 demolition ?

It only requires the weakening of a single level for the building to collapse in that way, the one level collapses and that causes a chain reaction as each floor collapses under the momentum of the rest of them - the 'pancake' effect you can see in the videos.

The plane had enough velocity to spread fuel and fire throughout basically the entire level of the building which is all that was required.

 

Also I don't know anything about the collapse of tower 7, so you'll have to ask somebody else on that one.

but, one of the towers has been hitten in the middle of the structure

meaning the collapase should "start" at the impact point and not at the top of the building

this "suggest" that a part of the tower (impacted part) will fall while another part (safe part that is the higher part) will keep it integrity. These 2 towers parts will "behave" differently during the collapse according to their different "physic"

THEN I would expect the collapse to be disymetric and that is clearly not what we have seen the 9/11/2001

Indeed, I would assume a such "perfect" collapse had a very low probability to happen naturally (close to impossible ?)



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I'm stunned by the level of ignorance in this thread.



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whatever said:

I'm stunned by the level of ignorance in this thread.

care to explain ?

or should I say : is it targetted to me ?



Time to Work !

Hitler was only 3rd worst last century

no one seems to remember Mao or Stalin.

I wonder why...

Maybe the Jewish people just know how to make more of a noise about the atrocities done to them than the others.

either that or a tinfoil hat.

http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html



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libellule said:
Rath said:
libellule said:
 

hi Rath,

so weird

planes are on 1 side at 1 level and they will change the temperature of the whole building ? at the same rate ?

the vertical "demolition collapse" is REALLY intriguing to me

and can you explain me the tower 7 demolition ?

It only requires the weakening of a single level for the building to collapse in that way, the one level collapses and that causes a chain reaction as each floor collapses under the momentum of the rest of them - the 'pancake' effect you can see in the videos.

The plane had enough velocity to spread fuel and fire throughout basically the entire level of the building which is all that was required.

 

Also I don't know anything about the collapse of tower 7, so you'll have to ask somebody else on that one.

but, one of the towers has been hitten in the middle of the structure

meaning the collapase should "start" at the impact point and not at the top of the building

this "suggest" that a part of the tower (impacted part) will fall while another part (safe part that is the higher part) will keep it integrity. These 2 towers parts will "behave" differently during the collapse according to their different "physic"

THEN I would expect the collapse to be disymetric and that is clearly not what we have seen the 9/11/2001

Indeed, I would assume a such "perfect" collapse had a very low probability to happen naturally (close to impossible ?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFz9TZUyIZk

As you can see the upper part of the tower is intact during the initial collapse. Of course the upper part of the tower would also collapse in the opposite direction when it hit the ground under pretty much the same mechanics.



libellule said:
Rath said:

It only requires the weakening of a single level for the building to collapse in that way, the one level collapses and that causes a chain reaction as each floor collapses under the momentum of the rest of them - the 'pancake' effect you can see in the videos.

The plane had enough velocity to spread fuel and fire throughout basically the entire level of the building which is all that was required.

 

Also I don't know anything about the collapse of tower 7, so you'll have to ask somebody else on that one.

but, one of the towers has been hitten in the middle of the structure

meaning the collapase should "start" at the impact point and not at the top of the building

this "suggest" that a part of the tower (impacted part) will fall while another part (safe part that is the higher part) will keep it integrity. These 2 towers parts will "behave" differently during the collapse according to their different "physic"

THEN I would expect the collapse to be disymetric and that is clearly not what we have seen the 9/11/2001

Indeed, I would assume a such "perfect" collapse had a very low probability to happen naturally (close to impossible ?)


And I, no offense intended, would assume you have no idea what you're talking about :)

Edit: To be of more use: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE5vc4voST0&feature=related

See, the top does tilt. It makes perfect sense.



Spankey said:

Hitler was only 3rd worst last century

no one seems to remember Mao or Stalin.

I wonder why...

Maybe the Jewish people just know how to make more of a noise about the atrocities done to them than the others.

either that or a tinfoil hat.

http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html


Or maybe the holocaust signifies something else than what Stalin did?

Like, you know, taking a large group of pepole, making them a different "race" and killing them all just because you think that "race" isn't human and doesn't deserve to live.

Sure, Stalin killed more russians than Hitler and his regime killed jews, but both did their horrendous deeds for different reasons.



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