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Rath said:

Some things. In fact quite a few things. Should always be run federally.

The fire service is one of them, as are the other emergency services.


im assuming federally means local government?

if so, of course, heck, the fact it isn't is frankly insane and as this shows, potentially very dangerous for people.



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Homer_Simpson said:
Rath said:

Some things. In fact quite a few things. Should always be run federally.

The fire service is one of them, as are the other emergency services.


im assuming federally means local government?

if so, of course, heck, the fact it isn't is frankly insane and as this shows, potentially very dangerous for people.

I guess I should say by the government.



Rath said:
Homer_Simpson said:
Rath said:

Some things. In fact quite a few things. Should always be run federally.

The fire service is one of them, as are the other emergency services.


im assuming federally means local government?

if so, of course, heck, the fact it isn't is frankly insane and as this shows, potentially very dangerous for people.

I guess I should say by the government.

This is being run by the government.

The issue is that the house is outside of the incorporation of the local city.

Hence why, it actually IS Illegal to force them to pay a tax. (looked it up since then actually.  Turns out the guy who said it was illegal wasa right.)

That's why it's a subscription based service... he's outside of the cities "incorporated" zone... and there isn't another zone he's in.



Kasz216 said:
Rath said:
Homer_Simpson said:
Rath said:

Some things. In fact quite a few things. Should always be run federally.

The fire service is one of them, as are the other emergency services.


im assuming federally means local government?

if so, of course, heck, the fact it isn't is frankly insane and as this shows, potentially very dangerous for people.

I guess I should say by the government.

This is being run by the government.

The issue is that the house is outside of the incorporation of the local city.

Hence why, it actually IS Illegal to force them to pay a tax. (looked it up since then actually.  Turns out the guy who said it was illegal wasa right.)

That's why it's a subscription based service... he's outside of the cities "incorporated" zone... and there isn't another zone he's in.

He is in an area with some form of government. This government, whether at local, state or federal level, really mustensure that everybody is protected by the fire service.

If the laws don't allow this to be done, then the laws are stupid and need to be changed. There are some things that simply shouldn't be optional and shouldn't be privatised. Fire service is one of them.



Kasz216 said:
Rath said:
Homer_Simpson said:
Rath said:

Some things. In fact quite a few things. Should always be run federally.

The fire service is one of them, as are the other emergency services.


im assuming federally means local government?

if so, of course, heck, the fact it isn't is frankly insane and as this shows, potentially very dangerous for people.

I guess I should say by the government.

This is being run by the government.

The issue is that the house is outside of the incorporation of the local city.

Hence why, it actually IS Illegal to force them to pay a tax. (looked it up since then actually.  Turns out the guy who said it was illegal wasa right.)

That's why it's a subscription based service... he's outside of the cities "incorporated" zone... and there isn't another zone he's in.


Couldn't his local government (w/e it is) charge the tax and "hire" the other city as a third party for the service?



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I have a hard time feeling sorry for the jerk who wouldn't pay his taxes. the firemen did the right thing.



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voty2000 said:
mjk45 said:

BTW doesn't a similar thing happen in the USA in regards to sick people being refused ambulance care if they don't have insurance, or is that an urban myth.


That's a myth, kind of.  In case of an emergency, a hospital cannot refuse care:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMTALA

Now, for non emergency situations, it's a state by state thing but most states are similar to this:

http://www.lsnjlaw.org/english/healthcare/hospitals/hospitalcare/

like voty said, it's a myth.  hospitals cannont refuse emergency care.  it's part of why i think all of the opposition to health care reform is stupid.  like it our not, the USA has universal health care, we just give shitty service. 

...but here's how it breaks down. someone without insurance needs medical services, they get it, they can't afford to pay the bills therefore they go into bankrupcy, the hospital takes a financial hit on the service, which they pass on as inflated prices for the services to those that can pay, which means higher insurance premimums, which i pay for.

knowing that preventitive health care is cheaper than emergency health care,...i just wish we'd suck it up, be smart, and offer a true universal health care so i can save a few bucks and feel better about america.



kitler53 said:
voty2000 said:
mjk45 said:

BTW doesn't a similar thing happen in the USA in regards to sick people being refused ambulance care if they don't have insurance, or is that an urban myth.


That's a myth, kind of.  In case of an emergency, a hospital cannot refuse care:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMTALA

Now, for non emergency situations, it's a state by state thing but most states are similar to this:

http://www.lsnjlaw.org/english/healthcare/hospitals/hospitalcare/

like voty said, it's a myth.  hospitals cannont refuse emergency care.  it's part of why i think all of the opposition to health care reform is stupid.  like it our not, the USA has universal health care, we just give shitty service. 

...but here's how it breaks down. someone without insurance needs medical services, they get it, they can't afford to pay the bills therefore they go into bankrupcy, the hospital takes a financial hit on the service, which they pass on as inflated prices for the services to those that can pay, which means higher insurance premimums, which i pay for.

knowing that preventitive health care is cheaper than emergency health care,...i just wish we'd suck it up, be smart, and offer a true universal health care so i can save a few bucks and feel better about america.

Some of the opposition to "Universal Health care" in the United States can be summed up by saying the government has demonstrated no ability to deliver high quality affordable health care; and further involvement from the government will likely just result in expensive, poor quality health care.

Consider (for a moment) that the United States' federal government spends more on providing heath care through Medicare and Medicaid than the Canadian government spends on universal health care and yet covers far less people and far fewer conditions.


When you actually look at the results, it is difficult to argue that the government of the United States should be running any of the programs it currently controls; and it seems moronic to argue that they should have an expanded mandate.



I'm of the mindset that the people responding to the emergency and the people receiving the emergency call should be seperate from the parties that collect the taxes.  Where I live, if you don't pay your taxes over a period of time, they'll probably be seizing/auctioning some property. 

On top of that, what if someone were inside of the house?  What if this were arson?  There is zero chance of discovering that this was a crime because all of the evidence has burned away.  No way of telling if an accelerant was used, where it initially started, why it started, or anything.  The guy was wrong for not paying his taxes but that should not have even been an issue here.  Mercenary firefighters.  I never thought I'd see the day.



This guy in the video is an absolute idiot.  His description of a free market is so stupid, and wow the same old "Conservatives want kids to die, houses to burn, and poor people to suffer dribble".  Would love to know the ratings of this genius show.



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