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bmmb1 on 06 October 2010
.jayderyu said:

bah, PC gaming doesn't need a rebirth. Your only looking at console developers and big companies. PC arena has never been about the big companies it's about everyone equally. It's the PC even in this day and age where small teams can make it big. No sir. You are wrong. There will be no rebirth. It's just to active.

I actually agree PC gaming doesn't need a rebirth, but "will get more gamers into pc gaming" in the title would have been less enticing



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twesterm on 06 October 2010
bmmb1 said:
twesterm said:
bmmb1 said:

3D gaming is the latest buzz lately, and this buzz isn't going to subside as people actually start to play these games. The problem is that the present HD consoles, in order to display games in 3D, will display the games with a noticeable drop in fidelity. And in order to see the game in 3D, you need one of those expensive 3D TVs.

To the rescue comes... The PC!!!

New PCs have the horsepower to render 3D without loss

AND

3D capable screens for PC are much, much more affordable

I predict that more and more 3D enabled games will come to the PC as well, and more and more gamers will go back to the PC for such games, as this will be the affordable way (and in some ways, possibly the best way) to play games in 3D.

Discuss!


If you don't think people want to pay the price for a 3DTV why do you think they'll want to pay the price for a 3D gaming computer setup?

Because entry price is much, much lower. Most people have a PC already, they just need to upgrade some parts of it.


That's a load of crap.  I'm sorry, but it is.

I built my last PC in 2006 and guess what I could use for new PC?  My DVD drive.

Motherboard- worthless

CPU- worthless

Ram- worthless

HDD- way too small

Power supply- not enough

Graphics card- couldn't dream of running anything

The sad thing is when I built that PC in 2006 it was a really good PC.  In three or four years when I update again I totally expect the same situation.  Hell, my friend that bought a $3000 Alienware PC 2-3 years ago has to run games on the lowest settings today. 

Slightly off topic, but people keep telling me how much cheaper PC gaming is to get into but I just don't believe them.  I could spend $250 in a year or two to upgrade my video card and I could spend another $100 at any time to get more ram.  So in a year I could spend $350 to keep my PC current and probably have to do the same again in another year or two after that.  So if I wanted to constantly game on my PC that's the $1000 initial build plus another lets be generous and say $400 over the next five years.  That's not even counting software, monitors, and other accessories.

For $1400 I can get a good TV ($1000) that will be used for a very long time and a console game that will last 4-5 years.

Don't get me wrong, I like my new PC and it's excellent at running Starcraft II, Dragon Age and FFXIV but the whole "PC gaming is cheaper" thing is a myth.

As for the 3D thing, the point is they're both incredibly expensive and they both require a large buy-in.  If I'm going to spend a lot of money with the intent of getting the 3D experience, I would much rather blow that money on a TV that I'm going to use for gaming and movie watching.

-edit-

And don't read too much into that rant, I like my PC and I like gaming on it.  Sometimes I'm a little annoyed by the lack of consideration for lefties in some games, but I still like it.  I'm just saying that despite what people say, PC gaming is not as cheap as they make it out to be.

You either spend a little and upgrade a lot down the road, spend a fair amount and upgrade intermittently, or spend a lot and upgrade rarely.  Whichever way, you're always putting more and more money into the PC and it has the bonus of being complicated.



 

Scoobes on 06 October 2010
Linkasf said:

I'm still not interested in 3D for anything at this point. Most games I've seen that are in 3D lately feel like it's forced onto a game and not naturally there. I'm waiting for 3DS to see if it increases the gaming experience, because even with the 3DS I don't think that i will use the 3D feature much.

Have you tried Motorstrom Apocalypse in 3D. That was one of the few games where I thought it really worked (probably unintentionally). At a few points I actually jumped due to debris comming at me.




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Scoobes on 06 October 2010
twesterm said:


That's a load of crap.  I'm sorry, but it is.

I built my last PC in 2006 and guess what I could use for new PC?  My DVD drive.

Motherboard- worthless

CPU- worthless

Ram- worthless

HDD- way too small

Power supply- not enough

Graphics card- couldn't dream of running anything

The sad thing is when I built that PC in 2006 it was a really good PC.  In three or four years when I update again I totally expect the same situation.  Hell, my friend that bought a $3000 Alienware PC 2-3 years ago has to run games on the lowest settings today. 

Slightly off topic, but people keep telling me how much cheaper PC gaming is to get into but I just don't believe them.  I could spend $250 in a year or two to upgrade my video card and I could spend another $100 at any time to get more ram.  So in a year I could spend $350 to keep my PC current and probably have to do the same again in another year or two after that.  So if I wanted to constantly game on my PC that's the $1000 initial build plus another lets be generous and say $400 over the next five years.  That's not even counting software, monitors, and other accessories.

Errr... how about your case? Buy a decent case and you can reuse that constantly. And you don't really need a PSU that much above 500W unless you run in SLI. I've always purchased a 500W minimum PSU.

The rest, yes, you'll need to upgrade.

As for the alienware PC, wtf? What's he done to it?!




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twesterm on 06 October 2010
Scoobes said:
twesterm said:


That's a load of crap.  I'm sorry, but it is.

I built my last PC in 2006 and guess what I could use for new PC?  My DVD drive.

Motherboard- worthless

CPU- worthless

Ram- worthless

HDD- way too small

Power supply- not enough

Graphics card- couldn't dream of running anything

The sad thing is when I built that PC in 2006 it was a really good PC.  In three or four years when I update again I totally expect the same situation.  Hell, my friend that bought a $3000 Alienware PC 2-3 years ago has to run games on the lowest settings today. 

Slightly off topic, but people keep telling me how much cheaper PC gaming is to get into but I just don't believe them.  I could spend $250 in a year or two to upgrade my video card and I could spend another $100 at any time to get more ram.  So in a year I could spend $350 to keep my PC current and probably have to do the same again in another year or two after that.  So if I wanted to constantly game on my PC that's the $1000 initial build plus another lets be generous and say $400 over the next five years.  That's not even counting software, monitors, and other accessories.

Errr... how about your case? Buy a decent case and you can reuse that constantly. And you don't really need a PSU that much above 500W unless you run in SLI. I've always purchased a 500W minimum PSU.

The rest, yes, you'll need to upgrade.

As for the alienware PC, wtf? What's he done to it?!

I missed the case, whoops.  I could have reused that (though I didn't because I don't like my old case and my current was $30-50 I believe).  The power supply I had wasn't big enough for the graphics card I have now.  My old one is 600 and my current is 850.  I will never ever skimp on the power supply considering I've had two crap out on me (and one of those even start smoking).

As for the Alienware PC, no idea, I just know he complains that he typically has to run new games on their lowest settings to get good frame rate.



 

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Scoobes on 06 October 2010
twesterm said:
Scoobes said:
twesterm said:


That's a load of crap.  I'm sorry, but it is.

I built my last PC in 2006 and guess what I could use for new PC?  My DVD drive.

Motherboard- worthless

CPU- worthless

Ram- worthless

HDD- way too small

Power supply- not enough

Graphics card- couldn't dream of running anything

The sad thing is when I built that PC in 2006 it was a really good PC.  In three or four years when I update again I totally expect the same situation.  Hell, my friend that bought a $3000 Alienware PC 2-3 years ago has to run games on the lowest settings today. 

Slightly off topic, but people keep telling me how much cheaper PC gaming is to get into but I just don't believe them.  I could spend $250 in a year or two to upgrade my video card and I could spend another $100 at any time to get more ram.  So in a year I could spend $350 to keep my PC current and probably have to do the same again in another year or two after that.  So if I wanted to constantly game on my PC that's the $1000 initial build plus another lets be generous and say $400 over the next five years.  That's not even counting software, monitors, and other accessories.

Errr... how about your case? Buy a decent case and you can reuse that constantly. And you don't really need a PSU that much above 500W unless you run in SLI. I've always purchased a 500W minimum PSU.

The rest, yes, you'll need to upgrade.

As for the alienware PC, wtf? What's he done to it?!

I missed the case, whoops.  I could have reused that (though I didn't because I don't like my old case and my current was $30-50 I believe).  The power supply I had wasn't big enough for the graphics card I have now.  My old one is 600 and my current is 850.  I will never ever skimp on the power supply considering I've had two crap out on me (and one of those even start smoking).

As for the Alienware PC, no idea, I just know he complains that he typically has to run new games on their lowest settings to get good frame rate.

Wow, I know smoking is bad for you but it's much worse for a PSU :D

Out of interest, what does he classify as a good frame rate? 100 ?!




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twesterm on 06 October 2010
Scoobes said:
twesterm said:
Scoobes said:
twesterm said:


That's a load of crap.  I'm sorry, but it is.

I built my last PC in 2006 and guess what I could use for new PC?  My DVD drive.

Motherboard- worthless

CPU- worthless

Ram- worthless

HDD- way too small

Power supply- not enough

Graphics card- couldn't dream of running anything

The sad thing is when I built that PC in 2006 it was a really good PC.  In three or four years when I update again I totally expect the same situation.  Hell, my friend that bought a $3000 Alienware PC 2-3 years ago has to run games on the lowest settings today. 

Slightly off topic, but people keep telling me how much cheaper PC gaming is to get into but I just don't believe them.  I could spend $250 in a year or two to upgrade my video card and I could spend another $100 at any time to get more ram.  So in a year I could spend $350 to keep my PC current and probably have to do the same again in another year or two after that.  So if I wanted to constantly game on my PC that's the $1000 initial build plus another lets be generous and say $400 over the next five years.  That's not even counting software, monitors, and other accessories.

Errr... how about your case? Buy a decent case and you can reuse that constantly. And you don't really need a PSU that much above 500W unless you run in SLI. I've always purchased a 500W minimum PSU.

The rest, yes, you'll need to upgrade.

As for the alienware PC, wtf? What's he done to it?!

I missed the case, whoops.  I could have reused that (though I didn't because I don't like my old case and my current was $30-50 I believe).  The power supply I had wasn't big enough for the graphics card I have now.  My old one is 600 and my current is 850.  I will never ever skimp on the power supply considering I've had two crap out on me (and one of those even start smoking).

As for the Alienware PC, no idea, I just know he complains that he typically has to run new games on their lowest settings to get good frame rate.

Wow, I know smoking is bad for you but it's much worse for a PSU :D

Out of interest, what does he classify as a good frame rate? 100 ?!


I assume he means 30-60 but I've never really cared enough to ask.

And I apparently just have awful luck with power supplies because the one that started smoking on me was even supposed to be a good one I believe (Antec I think?).  Because of that I would much rather overspend on those and get a good one that can definately handle everything I can throw at it.



 

Calmador on 06 October 2010
bmmb1 said:
Calmador said:
twesterm said:
bmmb1 said:

3D gaming is the latest buzz lately, and this buzz isn't going to subside as people actually start to play these games. The problem is that the present HD consoles, in order to display games in 3D, will display the games with a noticeable drop in fidelity. And in order to see the game in 3D, you need one of those expensive 3D TVs.

To the rescue comes... The PC!!!

New PCs have the horsepower to render 3D without loss

AND

3D capable screens for PC are much, much more affordable

I predict that more and more 3D enabled games will come to the PC as well, and more and more gamers will go back to the PC for such games, as this will be the affordable way (and in some ways, possibly the best way) to play games in 3D.

Discuss!


If you don't think people want to pay the price for a 3DTV why do you think they'll want to pay the price for a 3D gaming computer setup?

Bceause PC GAMING IS KING and console gaming is EPIC FAIL!... look at all your gramatical errors lolz lolz lozl lolz...

(sarcasm)

And your point is?

Point: To create laughter for myself mainly but others as well. And I guess I'm supporting that the OT is kinda ridiculous when you have to spend quite a chunk of $ anyways. I mean only a PC gamer MIGHT (keyword: might) be all excited for a slight improvement in visuals and waste money on such things. For the most part console gamers don't care about 3D. If we cared about visually appealing things like that... you'd think we'd already be PC gamers.

Smile

VVVV



All gaming systems, consoles/PC, have thier perks... why fight over preferences? I like Coke and you like Pepsi, that's it, let's not fight over which toy we like best cause that's what they are. Is someone's preference in a toy important or is the relationship between you and your neighbor more important? Answer is obvious, but THE most important thing is your relationship with God almighty. God Bless you in Jesus's name.

I can communicate without talking... I can send a loved one money without actually sending money... and I can commit theft without the product disappearing, the point of theft is the point of theft not one of it's possible symptoms which is the product dissappearing. The thief wants to gain something without paying for it, that's the point of theft, the thief doesn't have to care or anybody else has to care if the product dissappears. The product dissappearing is just a possible symptom of theft. Gifts are sacrfices, in order to give a gift, it has to be a genuine sacrfice/gift, meaning a copy of the game isn't still in your PC. Piracy is theft and/or being a culprit of theft.

Linkasf on 06 October 2010
Scoobes said:
Linkasf said:

I'm still not interested in 3D for anything at this point. Most games I've seen that are in 3D lately feel like it's forced onto a game and not naturally there. I'm waiting for 3DS to see if it increases the gaming experience, because even with the 3DS I don't think that i will use the 3D feature much.

Have you tried Motorstrom Apocalypse in 3D. That was one of the few games where I thought it really worked (probably unintentionally). At a few points I actually jumped due to debris comming at me.

No i haven't tried it but I guess whenever i see it somewhere I'll give it a try.



bmmb1 on 06 October 2010
Calmador said:
bmmb1 said:

And your point is?

Point: To create laughter for myself mainly but others as well. And I guess I'm supporting that the OT is kinda ridiculous when you have to spend quite a chunk of $ anyways. I mean only a PC gamer MIGHT (keyword: might) be all excited for a slight improvement in visuals and waste money on such things. For the most part console gamers don't care about 3D. If we cared about visually appealing things like that... you'd think we'd already be PC gamers.

Smile

VVVV

Well, one part made me smile - everything you say is maybe true for many Wii owners, but HD console owners? Hardly caring about visual ly appealing things ??? And the difference will not be small (though since there is no console that will display it better, only the PC, some HD console owners will suddenly say that it's really not that much of a difference, where if it had been the Wii for example, they would have declared the difference as huge )



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Anticipating: Xenoblade, The Last Story, Mario Kart 7, Rayman Origins, Zelda SS, Crush3D, Tales of the Abyss 3DS, MGS:Snake Eater 3DS, RE:Revelations, Time Travellers, Professor Layton vs. Ace Attorney, Luigi's Mansion 2, MH TriG, DQ Monsters, Heroes of Ruin