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Hurt Locker = war propaganda film or fair & balanced?

War propaganda film! 22 38.60%
 
Fair & balanced just like most war films. 14 24.56%
 
Never seen it, not my cup of tea! 9 15.79%
 
Candy!! 12 21.05%
 
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nightsurge said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kantor said:

Oh, and another thing. Why would they release this pro-Iraq-invasion propaganda film whilst they were withdrawing from Iraq?

The movie was made in 2008 .

It was released in 2009 (for most of the world)

So? Filmmakers can't predict the future.



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rocketpig said:
sapphi_snake said:
rocketpig said:

It's been awhile since I watched the film but weren't the mercenaries pretty bad guys? It didn't make much sense for the main crew to be evil characters, as their main job was bomb disposal. That doesn't leave much room for John Rambo to pop out and start annihilating civilians.

And why exactly did there need to be an "evil" soldier? Some of their actions were evil but none of the characters stood out as champions or villains.

And, like I mentioned in the Blade Runner thread, when did this generation start preferring things to be laid out in black and white without any hint of subtlety? I commend Bigelow for not taking the cheap route out with this movie, which would have been far easier to do than what she did with the characters in the film. What some of you are advocating would have made for a shitty and predictable movie with uninspiring characters.

What hint of subtlety? And why only one side portrayed that way (using shades of gray)? And the movie was very predictable and the charatcers were cliche.

Probably the most fair argument made in this thread. Bigelow didn't delve into the reasoning behind the bombers at all. Maybe she didn't want to convolute the story. I don't know but showing the bombers as something other than hardened murderers would have been appreciated (even though I'm not really sure how she would have efficiently done that within the confines of the story).

I agree. Though maybe that means that her story wasn't ambitious enough. Or maybe she could've gone the route Clint Eastewood went when he made both Flags of Our Fathers and Letters from Iwo Jima (showing both sides). I think it will be a long while 'till someone has the balls (no offence to Bigelow) to make an equivalent of Letters from Iwo Jima for Iraq.



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sapphi_snake said:
nightsurge said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kantor said:

Oh, and another thing. Why would they release this pro-Iraq-invasion propaganda film whilst they were withdrawing from Iraq?

The movie was made in 2008 .

It was released in 2009 (for most of the world)

So? Filmmakers can't predict the future.

But they knew well in advance the withdrawal was coming and still chose to release the film in May 2009 for the US.

So yes they did know this was coming.  Looks like Kantor got you there.



I thought it was very well made, and had a lengthy post brewing in my mind, but between Reasonable, and Rocketpig everything I had to say has been said. 

The film is not about the Iraq war, it is about the soldiers...



De85 said:

I thought it was very well made, and had a lengthy post brewing in my mind, but between Reasonable, and Rocketpig everything I had to say has been said. 

The film is not about the Iraq war, it is about the soldiers...


Thanks for the vote of confidence.

I'm amazed at some of the replies in this thread.  Astonishing how some people project their views  onto a film rather than just taking the film at face value for what it is actually about.



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Reasonable said:
De85 said:

I thought it was very well made, and had a lengthy post brewing in my mind, but between Reasonable and Rocketpig everything I had to say has been said. 

The film is not about the Iraq war, it is about the soldiers...


Thanks for the vote of confidence.

I'm amazed at some of the replies in this thread.  Astonishing how some people project their views  onto a film rather than just taking the film at face value for what it is actually about.

True that.  If I hadn't already lost about 90% of my faith in humanity, some of the comments in this thread would have me really worried...



The Wars in the Middle East generate huge debt that drives the American economy. Having a military to the police and rage war on every nation at the drop of a hat does not come cheap. American tax payers pay for it and the American elites make the most out of it.  

It was the US Imperialists who caused the GFC in the first place by lax regulation of financial institutions by corrupt bankers, a greedy Wall St. and CDO's being sold off around the World causing huge problems for all countries, they cannot blame Beijing for their financial predicament. Americans live on debt, Chinese save, it is as simple as that. If USA stopped going to war and destabilising other countries to put their preferred dictator in place, they could save a heaps but their arnament manufacturers wouldn't be happy no doubt. America kills people for oil in overseas countries to maintain its debt based consumption economy.

Increase debt leads to ongoing booms in asset values and drives the American consumption economy. Perpetual wars increase debt and booms asset markets which benefit the Anarcho-Capitalists at the expense of the average man.

Why should young men fight and die in unjust wars to benefit rich elites? It is the American way. 



d21lewis said:

My modern war movie of choice is Jarhead.  I liked it a lot more than Hurt Locker.


Jarhead was very good, too.

For me Full Metal Jacket remains the most intellectually satisfying war movie - perhaps not a surprise with Kubrick as a director.

Jarhead was great too, though, and I thought really showed the clear juxtaposition between how much soldiers are essentially waiting around trying to find ways to amuse themselves vs actually involved in action.  The scenes around the burning oil wells were superb, too. 

The Hurt Locker is a different beast for me, a very stripped down film focused on a few simple, clear concepts and deliberately unburdened by any need to try and address other issues.  Rather like Full Metal Jacket it is more a construction of a small number of extended scenes vs a more traditional film narrative, with each intended to offer a building glimpse into the minds of the men on the ground.  Funnily enough one of the best scenes for me was when Renner's character returned to the US and his confusion in the supermarket.  Both darkly funny and rather sad.

In some ways I think it might have been better if they hadn't chosen Iraq as the setting, simply because the proximity of the conflict occludes the fact the film actually isn't remotely about the Iraq conflict at all, despite having that as it's setting.  But on the other hand, as with Jarhead the film really does a great job of re-creating the sense of the place, and I guess if you want to make a film about ascpects of combat you have to pick some combat setting at the end of the day.

Together with Jarhead, I think both do offer an interesting glimpse at one facet of certain experiences certain soliders had in that setting.



Try to be reasonable... its easier than you think...

It's just a movie,it doesn't have to be anything else,but a movie. lol



It's a movie, get over it.