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HappySqurriel said:
NYANKS said:
TheRealMafoo said:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1315078/Race-maps-America.html

Interesting that the more Republican leaning cities seem to be the most integrated. Popular opinion would have said otherwise.

I mean, NYC is more democratic leaning and it's quite diverse. 

New York is diverse but doesn't appear to be particularly integrated. From the look of the map it seems like different racial groups are far more segregated than in other areas.

With such a small sample, it is difficult to say whether voting patterns have anything to do with racial integration; but I do wonder if there was a connection would the racial segregation/integration be the cause or result of voting and policy decisions. I would personally suspect that certain "progressive" policies have unintentionally enforced segregation. What I mean by that is fairly simple, initiatives like welfare and public housing (while well intentioned) are known to re-enforce poverty; and those policies (along with other initiatives) may have had the unintended consequence of maintaining racial segregation. On a side note, if this hypothesis was true it would have a potential (awful) side effect of encouraging further intervention in the economy which would (likely) have similarly negative outcomes.


I think there is a certain human truth that people don't like to think of.  People like to live with people of similar cultures and values.  I live in NYC.  In one of the boroughs, Brooklyn, a humongous Chinese district has sprung from a very small one.  They could live in other places in Brooklyn, but they choose to live in a mass that spans many consecutive blocks. 

Although I also know of what you speak.  In another NYC borough, the Bronx (home of the Yankees!), rent controlled housing during the 70's and a horrific urban planning blueprint had the epic fail side effect of destroying nice communities and leading to a bit of segregation, as you said.  Economics can certainly have these effects.



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FreeTalkLive said:
NYANKS said:

I actually am off a little.  This CNN article says Hispanics would be the DOMINANT minority ethnicty.  By 2050, about 55% of the popualtion will be minorities.  30% of the population will be Hispanic if rates continue.  They will be the biggest single group, and will be quickly approaching the white total.  So almost 1 out of every 3 people would be Hispanic.  Pretty intersting stuff.


Right but the vast majority of hispanics are also white according to the legal terms in the US.  As Spain is part of Europe.


Well I think CNN is going by the census.  I don't know this legality issue really, but this many people are identifying as Hispanic, so I think it's important at least.



I wouldn't call them republican leaning really... less democratic leaning sure, though research does show that the most racist places in the country tends to be cities in the North East.

Reason being?  High levels of minorities in your area, but because of segregation you never see them really.  You just here about the "worse" things that happen in their areas and assume the worst.

In other cities, they're more integrated so you see more understanding.  In smaller non-diverse communties, they're farther way from each other, so you tend to hear less.

 

When you think about it... it makes sense that cities are democratic because they benefit heavily thanks to democrats.  Big cities because they are big get a disproportionate amount of funding, they get all the special projects like subways, their roads fixed etc.

Smaller areas actually kinda get screwed since they only get provided the "base" amount and rarely get huge projects.  So in return smaller towns and cities are getting far less for their tax dollars then big cities do.



NYANKS said:
FreeTalkLive said:
NYANKS said:

I actually am off a little.  This CNN article says Hispanics would be the DOMINANT minority ethnicty.  By 2050, about 55% of the popualtion will be minorities.  30% of the population will be Hispanic if rates continue.  They will be the biggest single group, and will be quickly approaching the white total.  So almost 1 out of every 3 people would be Hispanic.  Pretty intersting stuff.


Right but the vast majority of hispanics are also white according to the legal terms in the US.  As Spain is part of Europe.


Well I think CNN is going by the census.  I don't know this legality issue really, but this many people are identifying as Hispanic, so I think it's important at least.

Hispanic origin is actually a different question.  You get asked if your of hispanic orgin on the census THEN asked your race, noting that hispanic isn't a race.

They probably just mixed and matched questions.



Kasz216 said:
NYANKS said:
FreeTalkLive said:
NYANKS said:

I actually am off a little.  This CNN article says Hispanics would be the DOMINANT minority ethnicty.  By 2050, about 55% of the popualtion will be minorities.  30% of the population will be Hispanic if rates continue.  They will be the biggest single group, and will be quickly approaching the white total.  So almost 1 out of every 3 people would be Hispanic.  Pretty intersting stuff.


Right but the vast majority of hispanics are also white according to the legal terms in the US.  As Spain is part of Europe.


Well I think CNN is going by the census.  I don't know this legality issue really, but this many people are identifying as Hispanic, so I think it's important at least.

Hispanic origin is actually a different question.  You get asked if your of hispanic orgin on the census THEN asked your race, noting that hispanic isn't a race.

They probably just mixed and matched questions.

It seems you are right as they are changing the rules a bit for the 2010 census (they change little things every time don't they lol).   From Wikipedia:

"The 2010 US Census includes changes designed to more clearly distinguish Hispanic ethnicity as not being a race. That includes adding the sentence: "For this census, Hispanic origins are not races."[14][15] Additionally, the Hispanic terms are modified from "Hispanic or Latino" to "Hispanic, Latino or Spanish origin".[14][15]

Although used in the Census and the American Community Survey, "Some other race" is not an official race,[13] and the Bureau considered eliminating it prior to the 2000 Census.[16] As the 2010 census form does not contain the question titled "Ancestry" found in recent censuses, there are campaigns to get non-Hispanic West Indian AmericansArab Americans to indicate their ethnic or national background through the race question, specifically the "Some other race" category.[17][18][19] and

The American Anthropological Association (AAA) recommended that OMB combine the "race" and "ethnicity" categories into one question to appear as "race/ethnicity" for the 2010 US Census. The Interagency Committee agrees, stating that “"race" and "ethnicity” were not sufficiently defined and “that many respondents conceptualize "race" and "ethnicity" as one in the same underscor[ing] the need to consolidate these terms into one category, using a term that is more meaningful to the American people.”[4]

The AAA also stated that “"race" has been scientifically proven to not be a real, natural phenomenon. More specific, social categories such as "ethnicity" or "ethnic group" are more salient for scientific purposes and have fewer of the negative, racist connotations for which the concept of race was developed.” It was for this reason that the AAA pushed for a reduction of the term “race” in government data collection. Since 1900, 26 different racial terms have been used to identify populations in the US Census.”[4]

The Interagency Committee has suggested that the concept of marking multiple boxes be extended to the Hispanic origin question, thereby freeing individuals from having to choose between their parents' ethnic heritages. In other words, a respondent could chose both “Hispanic or Latino” and “Not Hispanic or Latino.”[20]

 

So, it seems like a hot button thing, but I see your point.



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Illegal immigration. Slowly consuming America.



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leatherhat said:

Illegal immigration. Slowly consuming America.


Minorities making babies faster than Whites. Proabably a bigger deal.  Although yes, immigration is a big thing.



NYANKS said:
leatherhat said:

Illegal immigration. Slowly consuming America.


Minorities making babies faster than Whites. Proabably a bigger deal.  Although yes, immigration is a big thing.


Not immigration. Illegal immigration. It undermines the entire immigration process and the people who go through it to legally  enter the country. And it must be stopped.



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leatherhat said:
NYANKS said:
leatherhat said:

Illegal immigration. Slowly consuming America.


Minorities making babies faster than Whites. Proabably a bigger deal.  Although yes, immigration is a big thing.


Not immigration. Illegal immigration. It undermines the entire immigration process and the people who go through it to legally  enter the country. And it must be stopped.

Sorry, that's what I meant.  Do you have a way of stopping said illegal immigration?



NYANKS said:
leatherhat said:
NYANKS said:
leatherhat said:

Illegal immigration. Slowly consuming America.


Minorities making babies faster than Whites. Proabably a bigger deal.  Although yes, immigration is a big thing.


Not immigration. Illegal immigration. It undermines the entire immigration process and the people who go through it to legally  enter the country. And it must be stopped.

Sorry, that's what I meant.  Do you have a way of stopping said illegal immigration?