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L.C.E.C. said:

Well, in my opinion, I don't see why the Beatles are "so great", and don't give me the influence bullshit. I think The Beatles are the most overrated band that ever existed. And no, I don't care that your mom liked them, or your dad, or anyone. I don't like them.

As for "Not making it past the 90's" Um... Post-Grunge? , Foo Fighters, Stone Temple Pilots, Filter, Breaking Benjamin, and Nickelback are all Popular Post-Grunge bands. Foo Fighters is the drummer from Nirvana, and he's the Rhythm Guitarist and Lead Vocalist. (On the first album, he did everything). So... Grunge's influence is very alive.

Btw, Alice In Chains (Grunge band) is back together (with a new vocalist). I don't necessarily like the new work, but it's Grunge, and it's in this decade... so... yeah...

The best post Ive seen in this thread yet :)



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chazy13 said:
L.C.E.C. said:

Well, in my opinion, I don't see why the Beatles are "so great", and don't give me the influence bullshit. I think The Beatles are the most overrated band that ever existed. And no, I don't care that your mom liked them, or your dad, or anyone. I don't like them.

As for "Not making it past the 90's" Um... Post-Grunge? , Foo Fighters, Stone Temple Pilots, Filter, Breaking Benjamin, and Nickelback are all Popular Post-Grunge bands. Foo Fighters is the drummer from Nirvana, and he's the Rhythm Guitarist and Lead Vocalist. (On the first album, he did everything). So... Grunge's influence is very alive.

Btw, Alice In Chains (Grunge band) is back together (with a new vocalist). I don't necessarily like the new work, but it's Grunge, and it's in this decade... so... yeah...

The best post Ive seen in this thread yet :)

I guess I'm going to have to look up the exact definition of what "grunge" is then because I would never have considered Foo Fighters, Breaking Benjamin or Nickelback grunge. Foo Fighters and BB seem to be straight up rock to me and Nickelback is some sort of pop/rock/sellout genre.Oh and I've never heard of Filter.

And as for some kind of post 90's grunge popularity I'm not too sure. Seems to me the only bands keeping grunge alive today are Pearl Jam, STP, Alice in Chains and Soundgarden. I could be missing some though.





lol at listing foo fighters, STP, nickleback and Alice in chains's new album as grunge. Listing those bands as "alternative" would be pushing it, but grunge?

STP used to be grunge for a record or two while it was popular to be grunge, as were alice in chains with their 3rd album, but the other 2 aren't even close to grunge. Foo Fighters is a rock band and Nickleback is in a crap category on its own.

As far as alice in chains new record, would underground metal sites like this review it if it was grunge?

http://www.metal-rules.com/review/viewreview.php?band=alice in chains&album=&post_by=&rating=&month=&year=&pos=0

I don't think so...



whatever said:
disolitude said:
whatever said:

They were just raw, completely unpolished, and I loved their sound.  It was so refreshing compared to a lot of the cookie cutter pop crap that was being put out in the early 90's (and still is).

Plus, they knocked Michael Jackson out of the number one spot forever!  I will always be greatful to them for that.



Actually early 90s did not have this problem. The biggest music acts when nirvana came out were Guns n Roses an Metallica who are as raw as they come...

The best-selling album of 1990 was Rhythm Nation 1814, by Janet Jackson.
The best-selling album of 1991 was Ropin' The Wind, by Garth Brooks.
The best-selling album of 1992 was Some Gave All, by Billy Ray Cyrus.
The best-selling album of 1993 was The Bodyguard Soundtrack.
The best-selling album of 1994 was The Lion King Soundtrack.

That non rock music is always going to sell...we are talking about hard rock, anti establishment music here.

1991 billboard charts had Skid rows Slave to grind, GNRs Use your illusions 1 and 2 and MEtallicas Black album be number 1 on the charts. Real honest music finally started to reach the masses. Bands with extraordinary talents and which couldn't be manufactured. Once you expose kids to the likes of metallica and they can no longer be fooled by manufactured pop music...

Then Nirvana and Pearl Jam came out and become "alternative" movement...to the "alternative" music I listed above... and they do that by returning to the simple pop song structures and basic sound most bar bands have no problems replicating. Within a year dozens of gunge bands are out and existing bands are being forced by labels to change their sound (soundgarden, alice in chains, STP...even Motly Crue for christs sake). Market becomes saturated in less than 3 years.



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disolitude said:
highwaystar101 said:
NiKKoM said:

They killed glam metal.... and I thank them for that...


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I don't know, I'd rather have some dude sing about having a party and a good time...even if he looks like a chick... than have some no talent loser write 3 minute songs about substance abuse and how world sucks.

Me too. I miss the '80s metal scene so bad.



raptors11 said:
chazy13 said:
L.C.E.C. said:

Well, in my opinion, I don't see why the Beatles are "so great", and don't give me the influence bullshit. I think The Beatles are the most overrated band that ever existed. And no, I don't care that your mom liked them, or your dad, or anyone. I don't like them.

As for "Not making it past the 90's" Um... Post-Grunge? , Foo Fighters, Stone Temple Pilots, Filter, Breaking Benjamin, and Nickelback are all Popular Post-Grunge bands. Foo Fighters is the drummer from Nirvana, and he's the Rhythm Guitarist and Lead Vocalist. (On the first album, he did everything). So... Grunge's influence is very alive.

Btw, Alice In Chains (Grunge band) is back together (with a new vocalist). I don't necessarily like the new work, but it's Grunge, and it's in this decade... so... yeah...

The best post Ive seen in this thread yet :)

I guess I'm going to have to look up the exact definition of what "grunge" is then because I would never have considered Foo Fighters, Breaking Benjamin or Nickelback grunge. Foo Fighters and BB seem to be straight up rock to me and Nickelback is some sort of pop/rock/sellout genre.Oh and I've never heard of Filter.

And as for some kind of post 90's grunge popularity I'm not too sure. Seems to me the only bands keeping grunge alive today are Pearl Jam, STP, Alice in Chains and Soundgarden. I could be missing some though.

I called them all post-grunge (excluding AiC)

Well, that's 4... And If you wanna count Hole (even though Courtney Love sucks ass), there's 5. It's about the same number of Rap-Rock, Nu-Metal, Ska, and Thrash Metal Bands pushing their respective genres/sub-genres. Once a genre reaches its popularity peak, there are only so many bands willing to keep the same genre, despite the lack of popularity.




disolitude said:

lol at listing foo fighters, STP, nickleback and Alice in chains's new album as grunge. Listing those bands as "alternative" would be pushing it, but grunge?

STP used to be grunge for a record or two while it was popular to be grunge, as were alice in chains with their 3rd album, but the other 2 aren't even close to grunge. Foo Fighters is a rock band and Nickleback is in a crap category on its own.

As far as alice in chains new record, would underground metal sites like this review it if it was grunge?

http://www.metal-rules.com/review/viewreview.php?band=alice in chains&album=&post_by=&rating=&month=&year=&pos=0

I don't think so...

I didn't say grunge. I said Post-grunge. That IS their genre. Foo Fighters is seen as the initiator of the Post-Grunge Genre.

If you're trying to call the new album Metal, listen to "California". And yeah, they would. Hardcore Metal Sites have reviewed my 2nd favorite band Magna-Fi's second album (VerseChorusKillMe), and I'm not sure what they are (I'd call them Alternative), but I wouldn't call that album metal, and I'm a metal fan and a grunge fan.




Agreed Nirvana is one of the most overrated bands EVAH



1. Kurt Cobain isn’t Lady GaGa, and that’s the idea. Cobain was a real guy, with real emotions that came through in his music, exposing his audience to actual human feeling. Since that is the ultimate goal of music (not “to help you look cooler”), it’s a huge part of the appeal. And since he happened to be the tormented sort, his voice conveyed that, very effectively. In fact, he used his voice as a way of separating the fans who understood his music from the ones who were just coming to shows because it was cool – and the result was heartfelt songs that sometimes sounded quite ugly. Some people who claim to be into rock don’t like that, which is fine. In that case, you can go back to the cushy drivel you’re tricked into buying by fake guys who drive Land Rovers and have no reason whatsoever to actually feel the music they make. Your loss, smart guy.

2. Kurt Cobain was indeed a junkie. This wasn’t good for his health, but the ironic side of it was that his drug habits made his mind go places people don’t normally go, and his songwriting brought it back for everyone else to see. Because, as unfortunate as it is, junkies actually tend to write better songs. Doubt it? Go ahead and listen to “Come Together,” “Space Oddity” and “Something in the Way.” Now go listen to Jet. Or the Jonas Brothers.

3. Nirvana is indeed simple and raw. It was the ’90s, and simple and raw was a reaction to pompous and flamboyant (like Guns ‘n’ Roses). And since Nirvana was so raw, basic and new, everybody else did what they do with anything — they copied it and made it prettier. Hence Pearl Jam, Silverchair, Bush, Filter, and all the way up to the pretty-boy, fake “grunge” bands that are around now, like Seether and the screamier parts of Linkin Park. (Don’t even get me started on them.) Those bands took the same idea, made it cuter and more produced, and added stuff like extra testosterone, Abercrombie-Fitch fashion and hip-hop tendencies, so it could become much more popular. And it did. So, when you go back and hear the original version of all that pretty noise, on the surface it can be underwhelming — like how Joy Division’s version of “Dead Souls” isn’t quite as hard-ass as Nine Inch Nails’, or how Donnie Darko doesn’t have quite the same level of drama as its sequel, S. Darko. (If you haven’t seen the sequel, don’t bother.)

4. Nirvana preserved pop, despite everything aforementioned. This is probably the biggest reason they were successful, and probably one of the reasons Cobain hated his success. He was able to wrap his angst and rough-edged, emotional outbursts in a nice, listenable candy shell that made it extremely popular with his fans. He probably could have made it even more poppy, if he wanted to. The problem was, it tended to make people assume the band was candy all the way through. So the people who liked Lithium came to shows and were utterly perturbed by songs like Milk It. Hey, at least they bothered.

http://www.monitordown.com/2009/08/19/so-you-think-nirvana-sucks/