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disolitude said:
highwaystar101 said:
NiKKoM said:

They killed glam metal.... and I thank them for that...


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I don't know, I'd rather have some dude sing about having a party and a good time...even if he looks like a chick... than have some no talent loser write 3 minute songs about substance abuse and how world sucks.

That's quite a silly comment. Although some (or much - in Nirvana's case in particular) was about that content, it speaks nothing of the actual writing ability - let alone the actual music. Not quite sure why having 3 minute songs is of any importance either. I mean, if you're actually prepared to qualitatively show that they're poor writers, be my guest. Otherwise, it's hard to take it even seriously.

It's easy to speak in hyperbole, Metal is just riduclous sounds concerned more with speed and cheesy lyrics than it is with melody. Now, see, I know that statement is ridiculous and untrue. I hope you realise just how silly yours happened to be.

Though I'm not the biggest fan of them, there's no mistaking the influence they'd had on the music industry. I pretty much am in line with what Rocketpig had said.



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Come on, dude. I'm the farthest thing from a Nirvana fan, but even I have to admit that Kurt Cobain showed exceptional judgment when he offed himself. Credit where credit's due.



pearljammer said:
disolitude said:
highwaystar101 said:
NiKKoM said:

They killed glam metal.... and I thank them for that...


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I don't know, I'd rather have some dude sing about having a party and a good time...even if he looks like a chick... than have some no talent loser write 3 minute songs about substance abuse and how world sucks.

That's quite a silly comment. Although some (or much - in Nirvana's case in particular) was about that content, it speaks nothing of the actual writing ability - let alone the actual music. Not quite sure why having 3 minute songs is of any importance either. I mean, if you're actually prepared to qualitatively show that they're poor writers, be my guest. Otherwise, it's hard to take it even seriously.

It's easy to speak in hyperbole, Metal is just riduclous sounds concerned more with speed than it is with melody. Now, see, I know that statement is ridiculous. I hope you realise just how silly yours happened to be.

Though I'm not the biggest fan of them, there's no mistaking the influence they'd had on the music industry. I pretty much am in line with what Rocketpig had said.

Backstreet boys and britney spears have left their mark on the music industry as well...leaving a mark has nothing to do with tallent or musical ability these days.

I get what you are saying and my statement was a generalization...but I really don't see the brilliance in Nirvana.  Lyrically I have a hard time listening to it as Kirk seems obsessed with mockery of the fame status and self infliced depression which can not appeal to any grown man. If I was a teenager, I guess I could get how life sucks but I grew up in eastern Europe and couldn't afford to feel sorry for myself...

I've also played guitar for over 10 years and I can not understand the musical relevance of Nirvana in rock music(not media). Compared to something like Cowboys from Hell by pantera which came out a year earlier, or the black album by metallica...I mean, is there really an argument that Kirk could compete with those bands on the musical level?

I wouldn't have an issue with Nirvana if they just came out and co-existed with everyone on the music scene, after all it was honest music...But the effect it had on the media as well as the complete retardness of Kirk and his ways of burrying other bands/forms or hard rock...make me actually dislike them and the whole grunge movement.



disolitude said:

Backstreet boys and britney spears have left their mark on the music industry as well...leaving a mark has nothing to do with tallent or musical ability these days.

True. That statement alone doesn't really stand. However, Nirvana are respected among most of their peers and their predecessors. I don't believe that that is any more of a qualifier, but it seems like an important distinction. I don't think Spears would recieve the same sort off respect of a great pop artist a decade before her - like Prince.

I get what you are saying and my statement was a generalization...but I really don't see the brilliance in Nirvana.  Lyrically I have a hard time listening to it as Kirk seems obsessed with mockery of the fame status and self infliced depression which can not appeal to any grown man. If I was a teenager, I guess I could get how life sucks but I grew up in eastern Europe and couldn't afford to feel sorry for myself...

You not seeing the brilliance in Nirvana is perfectly normal; I certainly don't either. From your perspective, his words are completely unrelatable and his music, boring.

I've also played guitar for over 10 years and I can not understand the musical relevance of Nirvana in rock music(not media). Compared to something like Cowboys from Hell by pantera which came out a year earlier, or the black album by metallica...I mean, is there really an argument that Kirk could compete with those bands on the musical level?

I don't think anyone really contests that either someone like Cobain or Neil Young are nearly on a comparative technical level of guitar play as someone like Kirk Hammett. What people are attracted to are the melodies and how it may respond to the lyrics, other instruments, the mood, etc. Some guitarists are phenominal at it - for me, namely Neil Young.

I wouldn't have an issue with Nirvana if they just came out and co-existed with everyone on the music scene, after all it was honest music...But the effect it had on the media as well as the complete retardness of Kirk and his ways of burrying other bands/forms or hard rock...make me actually dislike them and the whole grunge movement.





One thing, they had 4 records, not 3. If you don't want to count Bleach because David Grohl (spelling?) wasn't there yet, then go ahead.

 

Ok, here we go. First off all of their songs are amazing, bar none. Each album has a completely different yet similar sound, thus making them diverse. Their lyrics, while occasionally nonsense, often have a deep meaning behind them. Cobain's guitar sounds are unmatched (other than Hendrix) and Novoselic and Grohl provide amazing bass and drum support, respectively. They're the kind of songs that can make you either want to go get angry and fuck shit up, or just lie in your bed and cry. If I had any complaints about them, I'd say they could've toned it down a little. 

 

Also, Kurt Cobain was killed by the Illuminati. Just saying...



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disolitude said:

Nirvana was basically the hair metal band of the 80's...just in the 90s...bluprint which struck temporary success and was copied by everyone...Setting the hard rock movemebt back 15 years.]


Nirvana wasn't even the first popular grunge band, much less the first grunge band that everyone copied.




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disolitude said:
highwaystar101 said:
NiKKoM said:

They killed glam metal.... and I thank them for that...


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I don't know, I'd rather have some dude sing about having a party and a good time...even if he looks like a chick... than have some no talent loser write 3 minute songs about substance abuse and how world sucks.

I believe that Cobain wrote about Judgement Day and the Anti-Christ. Just saying...



They were great at the time,because people were tired of the glam rock bands. I liked them and alice in chains back then.



raptors11 said:

Can anyone answer this question? Honestly I think they sound like crap.

They have a couple good songs I'll admit like Lithium, Smells like Teen Spirit and Come As You Are but nothing compared to legendary bands like the Beatles, Stones, Queen, etc. Yet whenever some people talk about the best bands ever they include Nirvana among them.


Honestly I dont think the Stones are very good and the Beatles just downright suck(Save for "As My Guitar Gently Weeps" which happens to have a guest guitarist on the track).

As for what makes Nirvana so great, well I dont think they are great at all. They have some good songs, but what makes them legendary is that they are the band that defines the grunge movement. As time moves on people will look Nirvana as the band that defined popular rock during the early to mid 90's. Just as people will look at NWA/Dr. Dre definining early-mid 90's rap(though they were not the best of there genre).



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