mhsillen said:
I'm japan was so Innocent Do you know history? |
I never said the Japanese were good folks. Every member of the Axis, and many of the Allies actually went on a killing spree during WW2, civilians included. You just can't claim that the US went on a crusade and the bombing was justifiable, no way.
They were crimes of war, end of story.
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Videogirl said:
It is now known that British and Australians had decyphered the JN-25 (japanese navy encrypting code), and were informed of the plan the Japanese had to attack an american base in the Pacific. They even knew one week prior the attack, that a Japanese fleet had left the Kouril Islands in a mission to strike Pearl Harbour. Chruchill who was also informed probably passed the world to Roosevelt. The attack arrived just at the right time to change the mind of the American people. |
That is a debated point, I think.
Some say it was an accident that the message didn't get to Pearl Harbor on time. Some motorbiked delivery guy had the message but went to other places first, so these views argue.
Funny how people just stick to their sides and don't consider that there is learning to be done.
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Some important dates
1927 - The effects of EM radiation on humans are determined
1932 - Deaths from radiation poisoning caused by exposure to Radium are heard of, and attributed to the right cause, even if it isn't fully understand how it works
1935 - Deaths from radiation poisoning from radium are quite prevalent, and completely understood
1945 - Hey, lets drop these Atomic bombs, there'll probably be no side effects
routsounmanman said:
I never said the Japanese were good folks. Every member of the Axis, and many of the Allies actually went on a killing spree during WW2, civilians included. You just can't claim that the US went on a crusade and the bombing was justifiable, no way. They were crimes of war, end of story. |
What the us did is childs play compared to the cruelty to civilians of WW2 Japan. The story can't be just what the USA did that is not in context. More unbalanced shit about the USA, pick another country to rag on for once
Just more revisionist history
mhsillen said:
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You seem to think there is a single history with this statement... surely you understand that history is a discourse rather than a set of single truths to defend with argument (which is how some people on this thread seem to see it, so this isn't totally directed at your fine self)?
Why get so defensive over a concept? America is a just a word rather than anything real, though millions of people think otherwise about their respective nations. I think that attachment to nation is utterly insane behaviour. Overall, the US (whatever that means) did some bad things, the Japanese (if such a thing exists) did some bad things. Summary, people do bad things and people do good things and both of these terms appear to have an element of subjectivity.
There is no singular entity that does stuff in the world, even governments have a mass of views and motivations when doing things and out of this morass comes a multiplicity of actions. Historians then simplify this into a narrative that suits there own political agendas.
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mhsillen said:
What the us did is childs play compared to the cruelty to civilians of WW2 Japan. The story can't be just what the USA did that is not in context. More unbalanced shit about the USA, pick another country to rag on for once Just more revisionist history |
Revisionism is a relevant historical thread. From it a more developed orthodoxy (with as many flaws) is created and so the discourse continues.
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mhsillen said:
What the us did is childs play compared to the cruelty to civilians of WW2 Japan. The story can't be just what the USA did that is not in context. More unbalanced shit about the USA, pick another country to rag on for once Just more revisionist history |
Lol, u mad?
We have 2 facts, one correct conclusion and one incorrect one
Facts:
1) No-one ever claims that the Japanese murder of civilians was moral
2) Many people claim that the American murder of civilians was moral
Incorrect conclusion
People are being mean to the USA
Correct conclusion
Anyone who claims both that the Japanese murdering civilians was immoral and that the American murdering of civilians is moral, is wrong.
Sorry bub, keep qqing though, it amuses me
bazmeistergen said:
Why get so defensive over a concept? America is a just a word rather than anything real, though millions of people think otherwise about their respective nations. I think that attachment to nation is utterly insane behaviour. Overall, the US (whatever that means) did some bad things, the Japanese (if such a thing exists) did some bad things. Summary, people do bad things and people do good things and both of these terms appear to have an element of subjectivity. There is no singular entity that does stuff in the world, even governments have a mass of views and motivations when doing things and out of this morass comes a multiplicity of actions. Historians then simplify this into a narrative that suits there own political agendas. |
What I posted are Facts these things did happen. I know you are trying to intellectualize the war between the US and Japan so you don't have to take a stand
The US was nothing compared to Japan in cruelty.
Murdering innocent civilians was not something the Japanese agonized over,
The decision to drop the bomb was agonized over. Maybe talk to a ww2 vet and ask him what he thinks
Yes I am pissed at a lot of anti american sentiments on this board. Maybe a little balance
Maybe someone can start a hate thread about another country.
mhsillen said:
What I posted are Facts these things did happen. I know you are trying to intellectualize the war between the US and Japan so you don't have to take a stand The US was nothing compared to Japan in cruelty.
Murdering innocent civilians was not something the Japanese agonized over, The decision to drop the bomb was agonized over. Maybe talk to a ww2 vet and ask him what he thinks Yes I am pissed at a lot of anti american sentiments on this board. Maybe a little balance Maybe someone can start a hate thread about another country. |
you're pissed off at all the anti american sentiment? I can see from your posts in here and other threads you are pretty extreme. I already knew exactly what your post was gonna say before i read it. You aren't even listening to what the people responding to you are saying.
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scottie said:
We have 2 facts, one correct conclusion and one incorrect one Facts: 1) No-one ever claims that the Japanese murder of civilians was moral 2) Many people claim that the American murder of civilians was moral
Incorrect conclusion People are being mean to the USA
Correct conclusion Anyone who claims both that the Japanese murdering civilians was immoral and that the American murdering of civilians is moral, is wrong.
Sorry bub, keep qqing though, it amuses me |
Ending the war then and there was the right thing to do. And thanks for your condescending attitude "bub"
Dropping the bomb was only part of the whole picture. Just saying USA bad or good for dropping the bomb is to simple of a concept. It makes it sound like Japan was an innocent bystander in all this.
War is not moral but if someone starts a fight you have to win it because they are not going to just lay down and give up
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