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iWarMachine on 19 September 2010
NeoRatt said:
iWarMachine said:
NYANKS said:

It doesn't contradict his statement if Sony has more shooters.  Sony has more of EVERYTHING.  They just make more and more varied games. 


yep, that's exactly why they said this...Sony has EVERY genre available covered with exclusive, while the 360 has a couple RPGs and that's it.

Your reply seems factually incorrect...

What Sony RTS has shipped to compete with Halo Wars and the first Command & Conquer 3?  What PS3 simulation does Sony have to compete with Viva Pinata?  What SRPG shipped on PS3 competing against Spectral Force 3 and Operation Darkness?  How is Sony doing with Card/Board Strategy games like Culcept Saga, Catan, and Magic The Gathering?  I think both consoles cover a lot of genres.  But, for exclusive genres 360 is not weak...

Also,

360 RPGS not found on PS3 - Mass Effect 1, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Dark Messiah Might & Magic Elements, Divinity II, Fable II, Final Fantasy XI Online, Infinite Undiscovery, The Last Remnant, Kingdom Under Fire Circle of Doom, Magnacarta 2, Operation Darkness, Phantasy Star Universe, Risen, and Spectral Force 3 (Total = 15)

360 Timed Exclusive RPGs before PS3 versions - Mass Effect 2, Eternal Sonata, Enchanted Arms, Star Ocean Last Hope, Tales of Vesperia, Oblivion IV Elder Scrolls, and Two Worlds (Total = 7)

PS3 RPGS not found on 360 - Demon Souls, Disgea 3, Last Rebellion, Untold Legends Dark Kingdom, Valkyria Chronicles, Yazuka 3, White Knight Chronicles, Cross Edge, 3D Dot Game Heros (Total = 9)

PS3 Timed Exclusives RPGS before 360 versions - Record of Agarest (Total = 1)

Looks to me like Sony is lacking in RPGs compared to 360... 15 to 9 on exclusives...  7 to 1 for timed exclusives...

i'm not even going to bother... the fact that you're counting timed exclusives as something good it's pretty weird...



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jpain333 on 19 September 2010
iWarMachine said:
NeoRatt said:
iWarMachine said:
NYANKS said:

It doesn't contradict his statement if Sony has more shooters.  Sony has more of EVERYTHING.  They just make more and more varied games. 


yep, that's exactly why they said this...Sony has EVERY genre available covered with exclusive, while the 360 has a couple RPGs and that's it.

Your reply seems factually incorrect...

What Sony RTS has shipped to compete with Halo Wars and the first Command & Conquer 3?  What PS3 simulation does Sony have to compete with Viva Pinata?  What SRPG shipped on PS3 competing against Spectral Force 3 and Operation Darkness?  How is Sony doing with Card/Board Strategy games like Culcept Saga, Catan, and Magic The Gathering?  I think both consoles cover a lot of genres.  But, for exclusive genres 360 is not weak...

Also,

360 RPGS not found on PS3 - Mass Effect 1, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Dark Messiah Might & Magic Elements, Divinity II, Fable II, Final Fantasy XI Online, Infinite Undiscovery, The Last Remnant, Kingdom Under Fire Circle of Doom, Magnacarta 2, Operation Darkness, Phantasy Star Universe, Risen, and Spectral Force 3 (Total = 15)

360 Timed Exclusive RPGs before PS3 versions - Mass Effect 2, Eternal Sonata, Enchanted Arms, Star Ocean Last Hope, Tales of Vesperia, Oblivion IV Elder Scrolls, and Two Worlds (Total = 7)

PS3 RPGS not found on 360 - Demon Souls, Disgea 3, Last Rebellion, Untold Legends Dark Kingdom, Valkyria Chronicles, Yazuka 3, White Knight Chronicles, Cross Edge, 3D Dot Game Heros (Total = 9)

PS3 Timed Exclusives RPGS before 360 versions - Record of Agarest (Total = 1)

Looks to me like Sony is lacking in RPGs compared to 360... 15 to 9 on exclusives...  7 to 1 for timed exclusives...

i'm not even going to bother... the fact that you're counting timed exclusives as something good it's pretty weird...

lol doesn't change the fact that his message proves 360 has more RPG's at the moment...

and the 360 offers a variety of games for each genre denying that would be silly...



Monges79 on 19 September 2010

I'm sure if Sony owned the rights to Halo and Gears, Microsoft would say the same crap. Always some stupid crap from one of the big three. They're just mad that they are still in third place. I'm sure always trying to play  catch-up is getting old. It's starting to show.



iWarMachine on 19 September 2010
jpain333 said:
iWarMachine said:
NeoRatt said:
iWarMachine said:
NYANKS said:

It doesn't contradict his statement if Sony has more shooters.  Sony has more of EVERYTHING.  They just make more and more varied games. 


yep, that's exactly why they said this...Sony has EVERY genre available covered with exclusive, while the 360 has a couple RPGs and that's it.

Your reply seems factually incorrect...

What Sony RTS has shipped to compete with Halo Wars and the first Command & Conquer 3?  What PS3 simulation does Sony have to compete with Viva Pinata?  What SRPG shipped on PS3 competing against Spectral Force 3 and Operation Darkness?  How is Sony doing with Card/Board Strategy games like Culcept Saga, Catan, and Magic The Gathering?  I think both consoles cover a lot of genres.  But, for exclusive genres 360 is not weak...

Also,

360 RPGS not found on PS3 - Mass Effect 1, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Dark Messiah Might & Magic Elements, Divinity II, Fable II, Final Fantasy XI Online, Infinite Undiscovery, The Last Remnant, Kingdom Under Fire Circle of Doom, Magnacarta 2, Operation Darkness, Phantasy Star Universe, Risen, and Spectral Force 3 (Total = 15)

360 Timed Exclusive RPGs before PS3 versions - Mass Effect 2, Eternal Sonata, Enchanted Arms, Star Ocean Last Hope, Tales of Vesperia, Oblivion IV Elder Scrolls, and Two Worlds (Total = 7)

PS3 RPGS not found on 360 - Demon Souls, Disgea 3, Last Rebellion, Untold Legends Dark Kingdom, Valkyria Chronicles, Yazuka 3, White Knight Chronicles, Cross Edge, 3D Dot Game Heros (Total = 9)

PS3 Timed Exclusives RPGS before 360 versions - Record of Agarest (Total = 1)

Looks to me like Sony is lacking in RPGs compared to 360... 15 to 9 on exclusives...  7 to 1 for timed exclusives...

i'm not even going to bother... the fact that you're counting timed exclusives as something good it's pretty weird...

lol doesn't change the fact that his message proves 360 has more RPG's at the moment...

and the 360 offers a variety of games for each genre denying that would be silly...


nah, i'm not denying it, in fact, every console has support in a pretty good range of genres...what Sony actually does, it's good games in most of them...which are the best 360 games? IMO they are Gears, Halo, Forza, and Fable.



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greenmedic88 on 19 September 2010

There really isn't any argument saying that the Xbox does not rely upon the sales of shooters to make their numbers.

Are they not generally the best selling titles on the platform?

I don't see what the big deal is here.

Shooters sell worse on the PS3.

Look at the top selling multi platform shooters on the PS3 compared to the Xbox and then look at the numbers for PS3 exclusive shooters. They don't sell anywhere near as well as the Xbox exclusive shooters.

They have to pick up the slack in other genres.



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cloud1161 on 20 September 2010

yes sony may have more fps, but they do not rely on those shooters to sell their consoles and make money as xbox does



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kain_kusanagi on 20 September 2010
cloud1161 said:

yes sony may have more fps, but they do not rely on those shooters to sell their consoles and make money as xbox does


Is it that MS relies on shooters or gives the people what they want? I think it's the latter. If anything Killzone and Resistance show that SOny has tried to grab a piece of the shooter pie, they just haven't been as successfull as MS has.



Alby_da_Wolf on 20 September 2010
kain_kusanagi said:
cloud1161 said:

yes sony may have more fps, but they do not rely on those shooters to sell their consoles and make money as xbox does


Is it that MS relies on shooters or gives the people what they want? I think it's the latter. If anything Killzone and Resistance show that SOny has tried to grab a piece of the shooter pie, they just haven't been as successfull as MS has.

I agree. It shouldn't be considered even a dig, he said something obvious, the purpose was obviously to praise PS3's variety, the side-effect as much obvious, as you say, is that the presumed dig also shows that XB360 1st and 3rd parties are very good at catering for their user base tastes. From the numbers themselves it also appears that as time went by some 3rd parties came even to understand the audiences of both consoles even better than their manufacturers themselves, a thing that for example never happens on Nintendo consoles, particularly the home ones.



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jarrod on 20 September 2010
NYANKS said:
gergroy said:
NYANKS said:
jarrod said:
NYANKS said:

It doesn't contradict his statement if Sony has more shooters.  Sony has more of EVERYTHING.  They just make more and more varied games. 


Microsoft's actually published more racers, RPGs, sandbox and strategy games than Sony so far this gen.  Sony's published more shooters, platformers, sims, sports, adventure and casual/party games though.

Wouldn't development be a better gauge here than publishing?

why would development be more important than publishing?  if you took out publishing than the only fps game that microsoft developed was halo 3.  After that bungie split.  Gears is made by epic.  Everything else Microsoft has made are racing, party, platforming, or sim games.  Which would defeat the whole argument of this thread.  

I was under the impression that using publishing instead of developing made it seem like Microsoft made the same amount of games as Sony or more, but I could be mistaken.  I was more talking about overall games, sorry for the off topicness of the comment.  :(

No, Sony still publishes more games.  Actually, Sony only develops about half of their overall portfolio, Microsoft maybe a third.

This gen, for games developed (or co-developed) inhouse...

 

Xbox 360

  • Perfect Dark Zero (RARE) 2005
  • Kameo: Elements of Power (RARE) 2005 
  • Viva Pinata (RARE) 2006
  • Forza Mototrsport 2 (Turn 10 Studio) 2007
  • Shadowrun (FASA Studio) 2007
  • Halo 3 (Bungie Software) 2007 
  • Fable II (Lionhead Studios) 2008
  • Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts (RARE) 2008 
  • Halo Wars (Ensemble Studios) 2009
  • Forza Motorsport 3 (Turn 10 Studio) 2009
  • Fable III (Lionhead Studios) 2010
  • Kinect Adventures (Good Science Studio) 2010
  • Kinect Sports (RARE) 2010
  • Kinect Joyride (BigPark) 2010
  • Milo & Kate (Lionhead Studios) TBA

 

PlayStation 3

  • NBA 07 (SCE San Diego Studio) 2006
  • Formula One Championship Edition (SCE Liverpool Studio) 2007
  • MLB 07: The Show (SCE San Diego Studio) 2007
  • Warhawk (Incognito / SCE Santa Monica Studio) 2007
  • The Eye of Judgement (SCE Japan Studio) 2007
  • NBA 08 (SCE San Diego Studio) 2007
  • Uncharted: Drake's Fortune (Naughty Dog Software) 2007
  • MLB 08: The Show (SCE San Diego Studio) 2008
  • Gran Turismo 5 Prologue (Polyphony Digital) 2008
  • SingStar (SCE London Studio) 2008
  • NBA 08: The Inside (SCE San Diego Studio) 2008
  • MotorStorm: Pacific Rift (Evolution Studios) 2008
  • LittleBig Planet (Media Molecule) 2008
  • Killzone 2 (Guerilla Games) 2009
  • MLB 09: The Show (SCE San Diego Studio) 2009
  • Uncharted 2: Among Thieves (Naughty Dog Software) 2009
  • M.A.G. Massive Action Game (Zipper Interactive) 2010
  • God of War III (SCE Santa Monica Studio) 2010
  • MLB 10: The Show (SCE San Diego Studio) 2010
  • EyePet (SCE London Studio) 2010
  • Kung Fu Rider (SCE Japan Studio) 2010
  • Gran Turismo 5: The Real Driving Simulator (Polyphony Digital) 2010
  • TV Superstars (SCE Cambridge Studio) 2010
  • LittleBig Planet 2 (Media Molecule) 2010
  • MotorStorm: Apocalypse (Evolution Studios) 2011
  • Killzone 3 (Guerilla Games) 2011
  • SOCOM 4: U.S. Navy SEALs (Zipper Interactive) 2011
  • ICO & Shadow of the Colossus Collection (SCE Japan Studio) 2011
  • The Last Guardian (SCE Japan Studio) 2011
...and for fun...
Wii
  • Wii Sports (Nintendo EAD2) 2006
  • The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (Nintendo EAD3) 2006
  • Wario Ware: Smooth Moves (Nintendo SPD1 / Intelligent Systems) 2007
  • Wii Play (Nintendo EAD2) 2007
  • Super Paper Mario (Intelligent Systems) 2007
  • Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree (Nintendo SPD4) 2007
  • Pokemon Battle Revolution (Genius Sonority) 2007
  • Metroid Prime 3: Corruption (Retro Studios) 2007
  • Link's Crossbow Training (Nintendo EAD3) 2007
  • Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn (Intelligent Systems) 2007
  • Super Mario Galaxy (Nintendo EAD Tokyo) 2007
  • Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Sora / Game Arts / HAL Laboratory) 2008
  • Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo EAD1) 2008
  • Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors (Genius Sonority/8ing) 2008
  • Wii Fit (Nintendo EAD5) 2008
  • Wii Music (Nintendo EAD2) 2008
  • Animal Crossing: City Folk (Nintendo EAD2) 2008
  • New Play Control! Pikmin (Nintendo EAD4) 2009
  • New Play Control! Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat (Nintendo EAD Tokyo) 2009
  • Wii Sports Resort (Nintendo EAD2) 2009
  • Metroid Prime Trilogy (Retro Studios) 2009
  • Wii Fit Plus (Nintendo EAD2) 2009
  • New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Nintendo EAD4) 2009
  • Super Mario Galaxy 2 (Nintendo EAD Tokyo) 2010
  • Metroid: Other M (Nintendo SPD1 / Team Ninja) 2010
  • Wii Party (NdCube) 2010
  • Donkey Kong Country Returns (Retro Studios) 2010
  • PokePark Wii: Pikachu's Adventure (Creatures Inc.) 2010
  • The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword (Nintendo EAD3) 2011
  • Xenoblade (Monolith Soft) TBA

 



cloud1161 on 20 September 2010

well look at it this way, take away ps3's shooters and take away xbox's, who will be hurt more?



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