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ImJustBayuum said:
Metallicube said:
Seece said:
Metallicube said:

There really isn't going to be a"motion cotrol war." Nintendo won't allow that. They have been trying to avoid the red ocean with the Wii, and they're not going to let Sony change that. By the time the Move and Kinect really get going,  Nintendo will simply move on to new technologies like the Vitality Sensor, 3DS, and whatever new quirk the next Nintendo console has. I think Nintendo has learned from the red ocean wars of the Super NES, N64, and Gamecube. Any time Sony or MS tries to copy them, they will probably just move on and make something else, at which point that new thing will be emulated, and the circle of life repeats.

Do you just like, conveniently forget about past gens, where Sony dominated generations and how Nintendo even came 3rd last gen? You seem to think Nintendo is impenetrable.

One day you're going to get a nasty wake up call.

You've just proved my point even further as to why Nintendo wants to avoid the red ocean. When they get in the red ocean with the bigger companies, Sony and MS, and try to beat them at their own game so to speak, they always lose (N64 Gamecube, almost SNES). What they excel in is going their own direction (NES, Wii), which is why they won't allow themselves to be caught up in that again.

I don't see how you gathered from my post that Nintendo was always dominant... Quite the opposite.

Blue ocean strategy is no exclusive to Nintendo. Sony and MS probably are employing this strategy, I mean they are not naive - it is normal for a company to study their competitor's strategies over the years.

Won't an industry with each of the major competitors employing a Blue Ocean strategy result in maximized growth, with none of them interfering with the other one?  Other marketspaces get assaulted, but not the space they are all in.



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leatherhat said:


I gotta agree with Seece on this one, nintendo fans seem to feel like there is a certain inevitability to nintendos continued dominance. Which is probably how nintendo fans felt as the snes was leading into the N64.


You could say the same for sony for 2 gens.



SOLIDSNAKE08 said:

its been confirmed today that GT5 has a weather system, track editor and go karts! seriously i think this is going to be the best selling in the series even beating GT3 sales of 14 million plus!

Nobody beats Nintendo when they are being Nintendo. Motion control is Nintendo's domain now.

You kids weren't around to see what happens to companies that challenge Nintendo at what they do best. Sony got lucky and combined with Nintendo making an overly complex controller and abandoning their fans by dumping 2d Mario in favour of the "hardcore" cost them. Well it didn't actually cost them because they still made a profit unlike certain conglomerates that can piss money down the drain to hijack gaming for their own ends.

You kids might not remember something called a Gameboy, it killed all challengers with it's casual shades of green. You think HD means anything compared to different shades of green V colour?

Nintendo is going to continue to put it's biggest IPs onto the motion control stage while MS and Sony half heartedly tack it on.

The 3DS is just a taster of what Nintendo can do to the competiton. I'd love to see Nintendo crack open their 26Billion dollar warchest. How many timed exclusives would that buy? 

Edit: Not that Nintendo needs timed exclusives because they can make first party games.



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Pyro as Bill said:

Nobody beats Nintendo when they are being Nintendo. Motion control is Nintendo's domain now.

You kids weren't around to see what happens to companies that challenge Nintendo at what they do best. Sony got lucky and combined with Nintendo making an overly complex controller and abandoning their fans by dumping 2d Mario in favour of the "hardcore" cost them. Well it didn't actually cost them because they still made a profit unlike certain conglomerates that can piss money down the drain to hijack gaming for their own ends.

You kids might not remember something called a Gameboy, it killed all challengers with it's casual shades of green. You think HD means anything compared to different shades of green V colour?

Nintendo is going to continue to put it's biggest IPs onto the motion control stage while MS and Sony half heartedly tack it on.

The 3DS is just a taster of what Nintendo can do to the competiton. I'd love to see Nintendo crack open their 26Billion dollar warchest. How many timed exclusives would that buy? 

Nintendo doesn't seem to have an interest in the moneyhatting approach.  They just roll out their first party stuff and get the bulk of the sales.  What they do look to do, is create systems that developers can get interested in, and will do stuff.  They likely listened to third-party developers outside of Nintendo's internal, and made the 3DS something they would get excited over and create games for.

Nintendo, at its roots, is a game company, that has a history over 100 years (first started with playing cards).  They know and understand play, and how to put stuff that delight and captivate.  They have been rocked in the recent past, but seemed to learn from it.  They have acted as leaders along the way, showing class to... this time around.



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richardhutnik said:
Pyro as Bill said:

Nobody beats Nintendo when they are being Nintendo. Motion control is Nintendo's domain now.

You kids weren't around to see what happens to companies that challenge Nintendo at what they do best. Sony got lucky and combined with Nintendo making an overly complex controller and abandoning their fans by dumping 2d Mario in favour of the "hardcore" cost them. Well it didn't actually cost them because they still made a profit unlike certain conglomerates that can piss money down the drain to hijack gaming for their own ends.

You kids might not remember something called a Gameboy, it killed all challengers with it's casual shades of green. You think HD means anything compared to different shades of green V colour?

Nintendo is going to continue to put it's biggest IPs onto the motion control stage while MS and Sony half heartedly tack it on.

The 3DS is just a taster of what Nintendo can do to the competiton. I'd love to see Nintendo crack open their 26Billion dollar warchest. How many timed exclusives would that buy? 

Nintendo doesn't seem to have an interest in the moneyhatting approach.  They just roll out their first party stuff and get the bulk of the sales.  What they do look to do, is create systems that developers can get interested in, and will do stuff.  They likely listened to third-party developers outside of Nintendo's internal, and made the 3DS something they would get excited over and create games for.

Nintendo, at its roots, is a game company, that has a history over 100 years (first started with playing cards).  They know and understand play, and how to put stuff that delight and captivate.  They have been rocked in the recent past, but seemed to learn from it.  They have acted as leaders along the way, showing class to... this time around.

Playing cards are one of the earliest examples of how important software is to hardware. Nintendo know it like nobody else. Who cares whether plastic or paper cards are best if you don't have the rules/instructions/code to play the best games?



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Motion controls?

But I thought they were a gimmick?



 

 

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Have Nintendo ever lost a home console or handheld gen when they've used NES/SNES controls combined with 2D Mario?

Nope.

That's not condescending, just facts. Granted Sony paid for a lot of games but this gen has shown that Nintendo can win all by itself with simple controls and 2d Mario.



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Entering the motion control arena is like challenging Nntendo in the handheld arena or trying to create a better 2D or 3D platformer.

 You're gonna lose and be lucky to still be in business at the end of it. It's Nintendo law.



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CGI-Quality said:
Pyro as Bill said:

Entering the motion control arena is like challenging Nntendo in the handheld arena or trying to create a better 2D or 3D platformer.

 You're gonna lose and be lucky to still be in business at the end of it. It's Nintendo law.

You see nothing wrong with that? Nintendo isn't the only company that can push a medium to victory. If they were unstoppable, as you seem to be implying, they wouldn't have lost the last two gens in a row, and handily at that.

Nintendo had arguably the best 3D patformer in the 32-bit gen in their arsenal, and it did very little to combat the PS1.

I already explained why they 'lost' (but still made more profit than MS and Sony combined for the past 2 gens). They became un-Nintendo. They dropped 2D Mario and games now needed half an hour just to get used to the controls. 

The fact that they survived the greedy transition to CDs and still provided Ocarina of Time, Mario 64, the analog stick and rumble just goes to show how much of an effort it is to try and compensate for 2D Mario. Only Nintendo could survive and profit.



Nov 2016 - NES outsells PS1 (JP)

Don't Play Stationary 4 ever. Switch!