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rocketpig on 14 September 2010
Muffin31190 said:

I Love how most of u want to bash Lady Gaga when She is Very Talented, I mean seriously how many famous musical artists actually write there own music, I mean Hell the Rolling Stones didnt even write all of there music.... But seriously i know of very few artists that actually Do and Lady Gaga Writes all of her own music, u can bash her all u want but u need to face facts Lady Gaga is the Biggest Star of the Decade, and im not saying that Her sales are ... name one other artist that sold 20mil albums with only 2 albums out (in a shitty economy). And to say her music isnt real music is like saying that that Madonna or The beatles didnt make real Music She is in all honesty changing the Face of Music and Poeple are Starting to Copy her Including a big star Named Christina Aguilera - look at her new video Not myself Tonight - and tell me it does not remind u of something Lady Gaga would do.

Look I'm not Saying you have to like her music but U should have respect for someone that has the power to get an effect in the music industry as Lady Gaga does.

Oh and one more thing If ur thinkin to yourself well i dont like the way she's Changing the Music Industry or why does everyone like her she's not Even that good .... guess what people said the Same thing about Elvis, Little Richard, The Beatles, Led Zepplin, AC/DC, Madonna, Metallica, Tupac, N.W.A, Nirvana, Blink 182, And Many more well known Artist's

Whoa. Did you really just compare GaGa to the Stones, Beatles, Elvis, etc? Hell, right now she's closer to Britney Spears than she is to U2, REM, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, or a host of other influential bands of the past 30 years.

And there's merit in the article in that GaGa isn't really "changing music". She's not doing anything that hasn't been done dozens of times. She merely does it in a ridiculous outfit. That doesn't change that, at the core, her music is catchy and little else.

I like GaGa but let's not go overboard with her importance to the music world just yet.




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O-D-C on 14 September 2010
sapphi_snake said:
O-D-C said:

Lady Gaga is Madonna 2.0

Considering her lack of sexyness I'd call her Madonna 0.5

ha!



freebs2 on 14 September 2010

I'm not interested those lectures about "sexiness", the problem here is that a musical artist should sell music, not sex, or a conceptual rapresentation of it. I don't like Lady Gaga but I don't consider Madonna or Britney Spears or even hip-hop stars any better. The interest about artists should be driven by music, but now it's only a matter of brand image, the most important things in a musician career were albums and live concerts in the past, now the succes is mostly driven by singles and videoclips.

I blame the major musical labels for this, since they started to have interests in other entertainment medias we have started to see popstars increasingly more trasgressive and outrageous,we see them more often in TV shows, serials , in movies (50 cent,eminem,madonna, disney's popstars...), there are many talk shows on TV and radio, were people talks about their image or thier "fake" life. At the end we don't have a musician anymore but a magnet to draw media attention, a tool to easily create (trash) entertainmet of every kind. And anytime someone demonize them on newspaper or tv at the end he helps them in their career keeping the media attention high.



sapphi_snake on 14 September 2010
freebs2 said:

I'm not interested those lectures about "sexiness", the problem here is that a musical artist should sell music, not sex, or a conceptual rapresentation of it. I don't like Lady Gaga but I don't consider Madonna or Britney Spears or even hip-hop stars any better. The interest about artists should be driven by music, but now it's only a matter of brand image, the most important things in a musician career were albums and live concerts in the past, now the succes is mostly driven by singles and videoclips.

I blame the major musical labels for this, since they started to have interests in other entertainment medias we have started to see popstars increasingly more trasgressive and outrageous,we see them more often in TV shows, serials , in movies (50 cent,eminem,madonna, disney's popstars...), there are many talk shows on TV and radio, were people talks about their image or thier "fake" life. At the end we don't have a musician anymore but a magnet to draw media attention, a tool to easily create (trash) entertainmet of every kind. And anytime someone demonize them on newspaper or tv at the end he helps them in their career keeping the media attention high.

You'd have to go way back to find a situation like the one you describe. I'm sure Elvis and the Beatles were a lot about image and not all albums and live concerts also.



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freebs2 on 14 September 2010
sapphi_snake said:
freebs2 said:

I'm not interested those lectures about "sexiness", the problem here is that a musical artist should sell music, not sex, or a conceptual rapresentation of it. I don't like Lady Gaga but I don't consider Madonna or Britney Spears or even hip-hop stars any better. The interest about artists should be driven by music, but now it's only a matter of brand image, the most important things in a musician career were albums and live concerts in the past, now the succes is mostly driven by singles and videoclips.

I blame the major musical labels for this, since they started to have interests in other entertainment medias we have started to see popstars increasingly more trasgressive and outrageous,we see them more often in TV shows, serials , in movies (50 cent,eminem,madonna, disney's popstars...), there are many talk shows on TV and radio, were people talks about their image or thier "fake" life. At the end we don't have a musician anymore but a magnet to draw media attention, a tool to easily create (trash) entertainmet of every kind. And anytime someone demonize them on newspaper or tv at the end he helps them in their career keeping the media attention high.

You'd have to go way back to find a situation like the one you describe. I'm sure Elvis and the Beatles were a lot about image and not all albums and live concerts also.

Sure, the image as always played a big part in the music industry, but at the time it wasn't as important or more inmportant than the musical content, not that I consider it right even in those cases. At time the appearence in other medias and the image were used to support an existing artist, it but were not the main reason to create a pop/rockstar. (Not in every case however, I don't see how the great succes of Elton John, Queen or Pink Floyd for example was influenced by the artist's image).



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sapphi_snake on 14 September 2010
freebs2 said:
sapphi_snake said:
freebs2 said:

I'm not interested those lectures about "sexiness", the problem here is that a musical artist should sell music, not sex, or a conceptual rapresentation of it. I don't like Lady Gaga but I don't consider Madonna or Britney Spears or even hip-hop stars any better. The interest about artists should be driven by music, but now it's only a matter of brand image, the most important things in a musician career were albums and live concerts in the past, now the succes is mostly driven by singles and videoclips.

I blame the major musical labels for this, since they started to have interests in other entertainment medias we have started to see popstars increasingly more trasgressive and outrageous,we see them more often in TV shows, serials , in movies (50 cent,eminem,madonna, disney's popstars...), there are many talk shows on TV and radio, were people talks about their image or thier "fake" life. At the end we don't have a musician anymore but a magnet to draw media attention, a tool to easily create (trash) entertainmet of every kind. And anytime someone demonize them on newspaper or tv at the end he helps them in their career keeping the media attention high.

You'd have to go way back to find a situation like the one you describe. I'm sure Elvis and the Beatles were a lot about image and not all albums and live concerts also.

Sure, the image as always played a big part in the music industry, but at the time it wasn't as important or more inmportant than the musical content, not that I consider it right even in those cases. At time the appearence in other medias and the image were used to support an existing artist, it but were not the main reason to create a pop/rockstar. (Not in every case however, I don't see how the great succes of Elton John, Queen or Pink Floyd for example was influenced by the artist's image).

Well Lady GaGa does have catchy songs, and let's face it, the most famous songs ever all all catchy songs, and not all of them have meaningfull lyrics. She just has a crappy image, and honestly I don't know why people like her (from an Image POV). Her songs are cool though.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

freebs2 on 14 September 2010
sapphi_snake said:
freebs2 said:
sapphi_snake said:
freebs2 said:

I'm not interested those lectures about "sexiness", the problem here is that a musical artist should sell music, not sex, or a conceptual rapresentation of it. I don't like Lady Gaga but I don't consider Madonna or Britney Spears or even hip-hop stars any better. The interest about artists should be driven by music, but now it's only a matter of brand image, the most important things in a musician career were albums and live concerts in the past, now the succes is mostly driven by singles and videoclips.

I blame the major musical labels for this, since they started to have interests in other entertainment medias we have started to see popstars increasingly more trasgressive and outrageous,we see them more often in TV shows, serials , in movies (50 cent,eminem,madonna, disney's popstars...), there are many talk shows on TV and radio, were people talks about their image or thier "fake" life. At the end we don't have a musician anymore but a magnet to draw media attention, a tool to easily create (trash) entertainmet of every kind. And anytime someone demonize them on newspaper or tv at the end he helps them in their career keeping the media attention high.

You'd have to go way back to find a situation like the one you describe. I'm sure Elvis and the Beatles were a lot about image and not all albums and live concerts also.

Sure, the image as always played a big part in the music industry, but at the time it wasn't as important or more inmportant than the musical content, not that I consider it right even in those cases. At time the appearence in other medias and the image were used to support an existing artist, it but were not the main reason to create a pop/rockstar. (Not in every case however, I don't see how the great succes of Elton John, Queen or Pink Floyd for example was influenced by the artist's image).

Well Lady GaGa does have catchy songs, and let's face it, the most famous songs ever all all catchy songs, and not all of them have meaningfull lyrics. She just has a crappy image, and honestly I don't know why people like her (from an Image POV). Her songs are cool though.

That is true, if you consider most famous songs, not always, but in most cases are catchy tunes, but that's a different matter. A chacy song is easy to remeber and you like it from the first time you hear it, so they put those on radio, more complex songs require multiple listenings to really get them. (I'm talking in general not about a specific artist). I tend to consider an artist for is whole repertory, not just for it's most famous songs, also fame does not coincide with quality, in fact is undoutebly Elton John's most famous songs are "Candle In The Wind" and "You're song", or "We are the champions" and "We will rock you" for Queen, "Nothing Else Matters" for metallica etc, but when you ask a Metallica/Queen/EJ fan which is their best song in 90% of cases, it will be another less famous song.
If you like her songs that's a matter of taste, I don't like those, but I don't have anything against her, what I desrespect is the system around her (and other artists).



raptors11 on 14 September 2010
--OkeyDokey-- said:
raptors11 said:
--OkeyDokey-- said:

People are writing articles about him, he was all over the news last night for sweeping the VMAs with a record number of wins, he is the most followed person on Facebook and Twitter and the most watched person on Youtube, Glee has dedicated entire episodes to him and his songs and albums have dominated the charts worldwide for the past two years


Fixed.

That wasn't as funny as you tried to make it :(


LMAO sorry if I hit a nerve, I realize you're a HUGE lady gaga fan.



thelalaby on 14 September 2010
--OkeyDokey-- said:

People are writing articles about her, she was all over the news last night for sweeping the VMAs with a record number of wins, she is the most followed person on Facebook and Twitter and the most watched person on Youtube, Glee has dedicated entire episodes to her and her songs and albums have dominated the charts worldwide for the past two years

Here we go again... half the records you mentioned are WRONG. She is not the most followed person on facebook (Michael Jackson is) and according to stastictics, Justin Bieber is set to have more followers than her on twitter within five months (read it on billboard). Glee didn't dedicate an entire episode to her, they only performed "Bad Romance" and "Poker Face" and there were songs for KISS in the episode, so basically it wasn't a tribute to her.

But yes she did sell a lot of albums, but so did Justin Bieber. Sales =/= quality.

And I agree with the article, Lady GaGa is NOT sexy in any shape or form.



thelalaby on 14 September 2010
Muffin31190 said:

I Love how most of u want to bash Lady Gaga when She is Very Talented, I mean seriously how many famous musical artists actually write there own music, I mean Hell the Rolling Stones didnt even write all of there music.... But seriously i know of very few artists that actually Do and Lady Gaga Writes all of her own music, u can bash her all u want but u need to face facts Lady Gaga is the Biggest Star of the Decade, and im not saying that Her sales are ... name one other artist that sold 20mil albums with only 2 albums out (in a shitty economy). And to say her music isnt real music is like saying that that Madonna or The beatles didnt make real Music She is in all honesty changing the Face of Music and Poeple are Starting to Copy her Including a big star Named Christina Aguilera - look at her new video Not myself Tonight - and tell me it does not remind u of something Lady Gaga would do.

Look I'm not Saying you have to like her music but U should have respect for someone that has the power to get an effect in the music industry as Lady Gaga does.

Oh and one more thing If ur thinkin to yourself well i dont like the way she's Changing the Music Industry or why does everyone like her she's not Even that good .... guess what people said the Same thing about Elvis, Little Richard, The Beatles, Led Zepplin, AC/DC, Madonna, Metallica, Tupac, N.W.A, Nirvana, Blink 182, And Many more well known Artist's


Honey, "Not Myself Tonight" is an homage to Madonna's old videos (Christina confirmed this herself) so basically you just admitted that Lady GaGa is nothing more than a Madonna copycat. Seriously, go watch Madonna's "Human Nature", "Express Yourself" and "Like A Prayer" and you'll see where Christina got her video from.