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Stefl1504 on 30 September 2010
theprof00 said:

I'm actually tempted to vote heph for reasons I won't explain...none of which have anything to do with his guilt or innocence though...


Hehe... yeah... the reason is that you are scum... just kidding there... BUT YOU ARE MOST LIKELY SCUM...



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Final-Fan on 30 September 2010

OK, radish, how do you know this information? 

Unvote Stefl. 



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Final-Fan on 30 September 2010

I mean, how did it come to pass that you know it now and not before? 



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hatmoza on 30 September 2010
radishhead said:

I thought that I had been curing everyone at night and then the items hitting them the following day - but apparently all along I've actually been using my items at night and hitting them the following night.

 

Got to go to school now, be back around 1600BST



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hatmoza on 30 September 2010
Stefl1504 said:

Oh and Hat... I just want to ask you... does your ability block all night actions or only the ones of the mafia...


It prevented night kills only.

Just like in the game, Palom and Porom cast stone on themselves to prevent the Final Fantasy crew from getting crushed by a trap wall.

The downside of the spell is that we basically die (stoned). We took a chance and put our faith in the curer.



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Final-Fan on 30 September 2010
Final-Fan said:

I mean, how did it come to pass that you know it now and not before? 

Specifically, how is it that you didn't notice how long it took for both hat and darth to go back to normal? 

Actually I want to double check that it DID take that long (i.e. how long till hat got de-stoned) but I'm about to hit the sack. 



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hatmoza on 30 September 2010
hatmoza said:

Does everyone think that the people who jumped on heph are likely scum? I honestly believe scum wouldn't be stupid enough to make themselves so obvious day 1. If anything everyone who is trying to make a case of them being scum are themselves scum diverting our attention. 

What I learned from the last game:

Scum make early accusations, and as noname put it best "plant seeds of suspicion straight from the beginning."

Yeah, so basically what I'm saying is: ToS, Heph, Therepublic, dsister are the people I trust so far. Everyone who jumped on therepupublic and ToS are my top suspects.

Also, I'm getting a REALLY strange vibe from GoW3evfr. It's just a gut instinct, but I believe he's scum ... no real explanation, except that his style of play changed dramatically. Kind of like he's adjusting to his scum role after being town the last couple of days.

Unvote


Wowsers! While going through F-F's posts, I stumbled upon this post I made first day.

since 3 of the four people I claimed to trust turned out town, I'm willing to trust TheRepublic for this alone.

Things aren't looking good for you prof, since I haven't found anything really strange about F-F yet ... except for bringing Sephiroth back to life!



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hatmoza on 30 September 2010

Here's F-F's first post - basically telling everyone he's town (Cloud) from the getgo. 

Final-Fan said:

Well, I missed all the fun!  May I? 

A STRAGOnimbus CLOUD high above the RELM cast a large SHADOW on TERRA. 

And @ TOS:  confirm. 
Final-Fan said:
Hephaestos said:

do you offer bribes? Hat was pretty convincing for votes, you're asking for much more there.

I offer the doctor my continued august presence.  Well, september maybe. 

A few posts later he asks for doctor protection... nothing too suspicious here. A good tactic to keep scum of your ass night one. Since we later learned he could resurrect the dead. He might of thought his role was somewhat important thus asked for protection.

Final-Fan said:

Oh yeah, if we have a doctor, unless you have somebody specific to target, I'd like to avoid dying on Night 1 YET AGAIN thanks

For what it's worth. Here's F-F disagreeing with GoW's little tactic to scum hunt (let's not forget GoW was scum). I don't see how F--F would benefit from going against a fellow mafia scum. This kind of debunks the myth of him being a mafia reviver (which I think we've already concluded anyway). However, F-F being a SK is still a possibility.

Final-Fan said:

I have not unvoted.  If his absence is all that's keeping you from voting him, go ahead; he won't get lynched before he has a chance to defend himself.  IMO Heph was simply trying to point out that some people are scaredy cats when it comes to voting -- it shouldn't be done frivolously, but it shouldn't have to take earth-shattering revelations either.  And the first few votes are less serious matters than the last few votes. 

I'll remember that about nen-suer; I hadn't really noticed.  On the other hand, it did seem like you were imitating TOS a little bit.  Maybe you were impressed by his actions and decided to copy him for a little town-trust.  Regardless of that, I don't really think your table is worth filling out:  I don't know what the mafia would gain from it, but I don't know how much benefit the town would see either. 

 putting a lil  too much trust in GoW here but he did sorta kinda prevent or stopp people from wanting to lynch Heph on day2 err 3. What's interesting to note here is that you can see GoW and nen (whom are both scum) go at each other. This reinforces an earlier theoryzz of mine where I said GoW and Prof got into a fake argument to make us think prof was town ... opposite of guilt by association if you will.

Final-Fan said:
GodOfWar_3ever said:
nen-suer said:
GodOfWar_3ever said:

About what happened to me, I was "doomed" on night one...or two... I have either one or two days to live, and I shall die...more on that later, I gotta go to the doctor....stomach bug...lol..

which one is it 1 or 2 ?
Doom is FF takes around 3 turn to take effect, so if we consider the days in this games as turns
then i think skipping the day would make you die faster (in theory).
The question is did these 2 events happened by chance or were part of a plan ?

How the hell am I supposed to know how many days I've got left ? I gave everything I have to the town and if I don't die tonight, I'll use my ability again...

Okay people I'm posting in a hurry so I haven't been able to read pages 12 or 13 and won't till I get back. 

But please

DO NOT LYNCH HEPHAESTOS

There is a simple way to do this.  GOW:  You say you got a kill ability.  Use it, tonight, on Heph.  I am confident you won't die till the end of the night at least so you should be able to do this.  And the town gets to use a lynch on someone else, which should make Republic happy. 

There.  Now ignore the debate over whether Heph is guilty everyone and do some scumhunting elsewhere.  

 Ok, I'm like 1000 posts in the game and I honestly can't see F-F being scum or SK anymore. He  acted pro town throughout the whole start of the game. He trusted people who later turned out to be town on more than one occasion. A mafia/SK member would want to try and mislead people. I mean they will occasionally agree and act pro-town to remove suspicion but all his early actions pretty much confirm he's a town acting town. He's genuine.  Here's some examples

Final-Fan said:

I want us to hurry the hell up and have a vote plurality on someone other than heph.  His role may be overpowered but he has been very believable.  I've gotten burned more than once by disbelieving a claim purely based on how insane the role was and I don't want that to happen here. 
Final-Fan said:
theprof00 said:
you dummy. It was so obvious (well, at least to me) that you were a doctor of some kind. I also thought you were lying about reflect though... which is why I was willing to lynch you to prove gow was mafia.. but I figured it was a long shot that you were lying. 

Guess I was right.

So ... you thought he was a doctor but you wanted to lynch him anyway? 
FoS theprof

Vote Homer_Simpson

I'd rather lynch Homer than Heph, and it sounds like the deadline is pretty tight?

****NOTE**** this was the day I was stoned, and way before the Homer/ F-F fiasco

F-F defending vette after claiming investigator (he  did turn up investigator)

Final-Fan said:

Yeah, I have to agree that this feels really cheesy, but the bandwagon already has too many people on it anyway so: 

I am the most pro-town pro-town that ever proed a town. 

Also, theprof, I disagree because a living doctor is often the only thing that lets the cop stay alive more than 2 seconds after he reveals himself.  So lynching him just to be able to lynch someone who MAY be mafia the NEXT day is really not worth it IMO. 

The only think I was disturbed with by F-F was that agreed and sided with GoW on multiple occasions, but that's only because F-F is always open to other people's opinions and theries.

 

I'm at the start of day 4 when I was cured from stoned and I'm going to stop here. Yes , I came up with the puppet theoryzz. Looking back at it was kind of ridiculous.  Unlike the scum  homer, he strongly fought for his trust. I'm not going to go over that details of it (cuz I have to got school) in a couple of hours) but we eventually concluded that I was wrong. And because Homer was indeed scum, it kinda cleared him.

As for the possibility of FF being a SK, I'm willing to take the chance and trust he's town ONLY because of his pro-town actions.

 



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hatmoza on 30 September 2010

Unless Radish and stef come up with something that changes my mind, I'm definately voting prof.

If I'm wrong and:

Final-Fan is scum, Excellent game to you sir!

TheRepublic is scum, I blame myself for not really following your posts that much after I got stoned.

Stef or Radish were scum, my head would probably, literally explode.



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hatmoza on 30 September 2010

 

MAFIA ROUND 20 - FINAL FANTASY

LYNCHED   MURDERED   ASSASSINATED   POISONED  

NUKED   SUICIDE   EXPLODED   DESTROYED   STONE


 Day 1 Day 3 Day 4 Day 5 Day 6 Character Role
GoW3ever  NL  NL  ----  ----    Golbez  Silencer/Brother
Vetteman  NL  Heph  No vote  TP    Terra  Investigator
Theprof  No vote  Heph  No vote  NV      
Trucks  Heph  Homer_S  dsister  ----    Ashe  Red Mage
Metalgear NL  No vote  No vote  NV   Cecil  Bodyguard
nen-suer  MG94  Heph  ----  ----    Sephiroth  Murderer
darth  NL  ----  ----  HS    Palom  Breaker/Twin
Heph  Heph  No vote  ----  ----    Eiko Protector/Reflecter
Final-Fan  theRep  NL  dsister  NV      
Homer_S  NL  Heph  dsister  HS    Ultemicia  Fast-Forwarder/Bomb
c03n3nj0  FinalFan  No vote  Homer_S  HS    Aerith Suicide Townie 
Stefl  NL  No vote  No vote  NV      
Kantor  No vote  No vote  dsister  ----    Tidus  Nighttime Vigilante
Republic  Heph  No vote  Final-Fan  HS      
Radish  NL  MG94  Homer_S  HS      
hatmoza  NL  ----  Homer_S      Porom  
dsister   theRep  No vote  No vote  ----    Vanille Roleblocker


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