hence the expression "it's a total rip off" cause it's not quantitative..... oops!

For your personal knowledge the dictionnary definition is "a copy or imitation" which does not mean completely.

and to use your infaillable logic, since you personnally assume you have "knowledge", then you also admit by definition that this is a rip-off (completely) on some aspects of the design and some of the mechanics (and on the launch sports game compilation...oops they did it again!). Thanks for admitting, I believe you feel better now.

I think he did a good job in explaining in fairly simple terms the technology and I think I may be using the term "Ignorance Headshot" now whenever I come across them. Heck I will probably even link them to this thread.

Like you said the definition is "a copy or imitation" that isnt quantitative, either it is or it is not.

Copy "An imitation or reproduction of an original; a duplicate" not quantitative

Imitation: "a copy or reproduction of a genuine article; counterfeit". not quantitative

To come back on the expression you posted: "its a total rip off"."Total" is used as an adjective to emphasis the fact the product isnt worth it, its by no mean a measure of quantity. Its always a total rip off or not a rip off at all. Now, about my logic:

Evolution: "A gradual process in which something changes into a different and usually more complex or better form"

Rip off: "a copy or imitation"

As you can see, by definition, it cannot be an evolution and a rip off at the same time. Now, about your logic where I should admit its a rip-off on some aspects. We are talking about a product as a whole. Its an evolution and not a rip off exactly for the reason it has similarities with the Wii and then more. 1 or more aspects being the same as another product doesnt make the product a copy or imitation. But, it can very well make it an evolution or an inspiration.

In case you missed it, I never had any problem assuming it has similarites with the Wii, but you certainly have problem assuming its not a rip off.

with your high logic you fuel my arguments rather than yours:

"something changes" what changed? thin air? nope, the something that is at the basis for the evolution is the part that was changed, and this basis is the rip off, hence why your non quantitative theory is completely absurde.

for you, is taking a song and changing the last word of the lyrics not a copy because it's not fully identical? that's where you're making your quantitative mistake.

High logic? I know your being sarcastic but honestly it was very simple logic. You said evolution was the correct term. It cannot be a rip off if its an evolution. Now your saying it isnt an evolution? You were the one to bring that term. I thought it was a good term myself. It has the same basic functions (totally agree here), but then add 3D positioning and the camera features to those basic features, which I think is an evolution.

About your song example, its a pretty interesting example indeed. Though, the question isnt, is rip off quantitative or not. The meaning of the word is clear enough on this subject. The question is: where does being a rip off start or stop? What your talking about isnt quantitativity, its relativity.

oh no I still say it's an evolution, pardon my bad writting :p, i see the merit of the move and the big advantage of tracking the object rather than the object tracking the TV. It is indeed a pretty big evolution.

we're not disagreeing on the object... just on the vocabulary =)

@ bolded: that's exactly where our conflict is. I say if any part is based on an other product, then the term rip off can be applied. You disagree. I doubt we'll change each other's minds.

to me, going from the idea of a ball on a stick being tracked by the camera to a ball on a wiimote is pretty much ripping off the wiimote. An argument is the navipad (or whatever it's called), an object that seems useless for 1/2 of the move games,  but an object needed to have wii like controls. They easily could have made the navipad hold a ball too... taking away the need to use 2 move controlers for some games, but that differed too much from the wiimote template I guess.

I see what you consider a rip off is pretty broad. I just hope that your consequent on this matter and say the same of any product fitting your description: "I say if any part is based on an other product, then the term rip off can be applied."

Still, I dont think it fits the meaning of each word to say it is evolutive as well as a rip off.

In any case, nous aurions pu avoir toute cette discussion en français ; ).

c'eut été moins fun!

et je ne sais même pas si il y a un équivalent direct de rip-off en français... =)

Are you guys making out in french? O_O

ah we were just talking about you, how odd.