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themanwithnoname said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Cross-X said:

Yep let's just all rip on Valve...


Bu Bu former hero is now with evil sony...so hero is evil now so it's justified

anywho Steamworks is coming to ps3 = Big News imho..as far as I know all my PC gamer friends won't shut up about it now I won't be too annoyed YAY

Don't bring that garbage in here. I thought Valve was dumb in their criticism of the PS3 as well. Everything from Newell's mouth is so over the top now it's hard to take anything he says seriously. But yeah, please show me someone in this thread who was praising Valve for their PS3 commentary. Stop implying that everyone who criticizes Valve is a 360 fanboy.


lol woah back up..360 fanboy? calm down never even mentioned something like that, not really sure why you would think that. But when the gabe was anti sony there were plenty of people who didn't criticize it but actually even use it to do their usual childish rants why they are better than thou and how sony shoul have done better and made a console easier to make games to since it was missing out on quality products from valve..fanboys? Who knows and I don't really care. But the tones have changed greatly from both ends to be fair. So yeah don't bring in this everyone was nice and kind and was against gabes fatass bs back in the day cuz that's just Bull at it's finest. Not many from the non sony fans used to criticize Gabes random rants back in the day and that's fact.

Anywho it doesn't really matter tbh, doesn't affect me either way, just more lulz for the rest I guess



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M.U.G.E.N said:
themanwithnoname said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Cross-X said:

Yep let's just all rip on Valve...


Bu Bu former hero is now with evil sony...so hero is evil now so it's justified

anywho Steamworks is coming to ps3 = Big News imho..as far as I know all my PC gamer friends won't shut up about it now I won't be too annoyed YAY

Don't bring that garbage in here. I thought Valve was dumb in their criticism of the PS3 as well. Everything from Newell's mouth is so over the top now it's hard to take anything he says seriously. But yeah, please show me someone in this thread who was praising Valve for their PS3 commentary. Stop implying that everyone who criticizes Valve is a 360 fanboy.


lol woah back up..360 fanboy? calm down never even mentioned something like that, not really sure why you would think that. But when the gabe was anti sony there were plenty of people who didn't criticize it but actually even use it to do their usual childish rants why they are better than thou and how sony shoul have done better and made a console easier to make games to since it was missing out on quality products from valve..fanboys? Who knows and I don't really care. But the tones have changed greatly from both ends to be fair. So yeah don't bring in this everyone was nice and kind and was against gabes fatass bs back in the day cuz that's just Bull at it's finest. Not many from the non sony fans used to criticize Gabes random rants back in the day and that's fact.

Anywho it doesn't really matter tbh, doesn't affect me either way, just more lulz for the rest I guess

Only fanboys criticize Gabe Newell.

The truth is, Gabe was always right about the PS3. He criticized the fact that it's much harder to make a game on PS3 than any other platform. This is further supported by him releasing Valve games only on Xbox 360, which according to him, the cost of porting from PC to Xbox 360 is pocket change.

Valve and Gabe Newell did it right: They waited for PS3's documentation to improve and there be more programmers experienced with the PS3 for them to advance. Which means Valve never needed to make the extra effort that many companies were forced to in the beginning of the generation. Also, the Source Engine was never able use on PS3 games, but the announcement of Portal 2 makes it look like they were already planning to make a jump to the PS3.

PS3 fanboys criticized for nothing. Just like now Xbox 360 fanboys are criticizing him for nothing too.

As for the Xbox Live, Valve and Gabe ALWAYS criticized it. Microsoft stopped them from giving free and awesome content to X360 owners, and Steam's amazing growth has proven that Xbox Live's subscription method is becoming more and more negative. PSN also helps in arguments against Xbox Live.



shio said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
themanwithnoname said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Cross-X said:

Yep let's just all rip on Valve...


Bu Bu former hero is now with evil sony...so hero is evil now so it's justified

anywho Steamworks is coming to ps3 = Big News imho..as far as I know all my PC gamer friends won't shut up about it now I won't be too annoyed YAY

Don't bring that garbage in here. I thought Valve was dumb in their criticism of the PS3 as well. Everything from Newell's mouth is so over the top now it's hard to take anything he says seriously. But yeah, please show me someone in this thread who was praising Valve for their PS3 commentary. Stop implying that everyone who criticizes Valve is a 360 fanboy.


lol woah back up..360 fanboy? calm down never even mentioned something like that, not really sure why you would think that. But when the gabe was anti sony there were plenty of people who didn't criticize it but actually even use it to do their usual childish rants why they are better than thou and how sony shoul have done better and made a console easier to make games to since it was missing out on quality products from valve..fanboys? Who knows and I don't really care. But the tones have changed greatly from both ends to be fair. So yeah don't bring in this everyone was nice and kind and was against gabes fatass bs back in the day cuz that's just Bull at it's finest. Not many from the non sony fans used to criticize Gabes random rants back in the day and that's fact.

Anywho it doesn't really matter tbh, doesn't affect me either way, just more lulz for the rest I guess

Only fanboys criticize Gabe Newell.

The truth is, Gabe was always right about the PS3. He criticized the fact that it's much harder to make a game on PS3 than any other platform. This is further supported by him releasing Valve games only on Xbox 360, which according to him, the cost of porting from PC to Xbox 360 is pocket change.

Valve and Gabe Newell did it right: They waited for PS3's documentation to improve and there be more programmers experienced with the PS3 for them to advance. Which means Valve never needed to make the extra effort that many companies were forced to in the beginning of the generation. Also, the Source Engine was never able use on PS3 games, but the announcement of Portal 2 makes it look like they were already planning to make a jump to the PS3.

PS3 fanboys criticized for nothing. Just like now Xbox 360 fanboys are criticizing him for nothing too.

As for the Xbox Live, Valve and Gabe ALWAYS criticized it. Microsoft stopped them from giving free and awesome content to X360 owners, and Steam's amazing growth has proven that Xbox Live's subscription method is becoming more and more negative. PSN also helps in arguments against Xbox Live.

fair enough and agreed. He could have made his previous comments about ps3 a bit better tho, same content but said better without using terms like ps3 is a disaster which utter bs. But yea in essense he does have some core facts to his statements.



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Stinky said:

The irony is Steam ultimately drove me from from the PC as a gaming platform. Get on for a quick round of $GAEM? download download download.


you can pause downloads on steam...

and steam isn't the only service available on PC.



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zarx said:
Stinky said:

The irony is Steam ultimately drove me from from the PC as a gaming platform. Get on for a quick round of $GAEM? download download download.


you can pause downloads on steam...

and steam isn't the only service available on PC.


Steam is the only service I was referring to, and is the only service offered by Valve.



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Stinky said:
zarx said:
Stinky said:

The irony is Steam ultimately drove me from from the PC as a gaming platform. Get on for a quick round of $GAEM? download download download.


you can pause downloads on steam...

and steam isn't the only service available on PC.


Steam is the only service I was referring to, and is the only service offered by Valve.


but you said it was the reason you left PC gaming which is weird for a voluntary service that you stated problem with could be easily fixed.



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A Bad Clown said:
leatherhat said:
MrBubbles said:

there has been free content released for games so thats not a good defense. 


All I know is a map pack for l4d2 cost xbox owners 7 bucks and pc owners nothing


http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=223330

What am I looking at here? That at some point in time l4d2 DLC was free on xbox? WOW sign me up so I can wait for six months for a sale on a product that should have started out free. 



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Time for hype

Talk about doing a U-turn :D

Admittedly, I do have a ps3 so, I'm not complaining. However, I can't comprehend the stupidity of Microsoft in not relaxing their control over what is uploaded to the Marketplace. Atleast Gabe is expressing his opinion, a lesser CEO(?) would have probably kept his mouth shut, or, if asked, would answer ambiguosly.



Euphoria14 said:
Slimebeast said:

What does he mean? Game updates are allowed on PSN but not on Xbox?



I think that frequent updates to fix bugs, glitches, etc... are possible on PSN because it more open that Live is and for that it makes it almost impossible to keep their games on 360 up to par with their PC counterparts.

Steamworks on PS3 will solve that issue since whenever the PC gets updates the PS3 will as well, meanwhile the 360 versions will lag behind since MS will not allow it.


More or less.  As I understand it, micrsoft DEMANDS to go over every single little patch and tweak you want to put in.

I'll put it this way about TF2.  My version has updated 3 times in the last 3 days.



Obafouzr said:

Talk about doing a U-turn :D

Admittedly, I do have a ps3 so, I'm not complaining. However, I can't comprehend the stupidity of Microsoft in not relaxing their control over what is uploaded to the Marketplace. Atleast Gabe is expressing his opinion, a lesser CEO(?) would have probably kept his mouth shut, or, if asked, would answer ambiguosly.


I think it's less about the quality of the man, and more to do with the fact that he...

A) Doesn't have shareholders.

B) Makes so much on PC that consolse work is basically just for fun.