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Mad55 on 10 September 2010

both lol.



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Fame_Mcswagg on 11 September 2010
Necromunda said:
d21lewis said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
Fame_Mcswagg said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
Tigerlure said:
twesterm said:
dtewi said:
twesterm said:

It just completely confuses how people can admire a musical artist that has zero musical ability. 

Speaking into autotuner != artist

Oh twesterm, you and your unyielding superiority complex.


I wouldn't say that since I don't really think I'm better than him, I'm probably just as good as him since I can't really sing either.

Kanye is a hip-hop artist, and a great one at that, regardless of his ego. Go look at his past albums, then come and tell me with an honest face that you could do as good as him, with or without autotune.

Nah man, Kanye can't sing at all. TWesterm is probably just at good as he it at singing.

Now, if we're talking about poetry, then none of the rap I've heard even comes near the level of, say, Robert Frost or Edgar Allen Poe.

If we are talking about mixing it all together, well, there are equally talented people on youtube, who make great videos using fruity loops. Look up "You play to win the game" on youtube.

Look at Elton John, or Queen. Can you honestly say Kanye is as good as Elton John at songwriting or singing?

He's good compared to his direct limited competition, but he pales in comparison to the greats.

All subjective... it all depends on your taste and what you like your greats differ greatly then mine... makes neither one of us right or wrong


lol, yeah, and you can say Grown Ups is better than The Godfather, but we have to draw the line somewhere, don't we. Don't use "imho" as a shield. Defend your opinions with logic, that is what a forum is for.


But there is a huge amount of the population that may not like Elton John or Queen.  Maybe the poetry of Edgar Allen Poe is a little to heavy or archaic for some.  On top of that, who's to say what impact this man's music may have on the world?  

Honestly, he's just a guy that makes music that his audience approves of.  That's it.  If you don't like it, perhaps you weren't his intended target.  I wouldn't go into "the polka thread", and with a limited grasp on what good polka music is, commence to telling people that Polka McGhee sucks compared to Mozart.  And, despite the use if "imho" as a shield, the man's opinion is still his opinion.  There's no set standard for what people have to like.  

The people vote for Kanye with their wallets.  In their opinion, and in the opinion of many critics, the man is exceptional.

(I posted all of this wit a cell phone.  My hands are tired!)


d21lewis, if there is one thing I consistently rant about, its music. People don't realize that their opinion on an artist has absolutely nothing to do with that artists actual musical talent and critical acclaim. Kanye has proven himself, critically, to be a talented musical artist, and one of the better ones out there. However he doesn't come close to the greats, or my personal favorite Lupe Fiasco, at least in lyrical depth, yet he is still extremely talented. Hmm, we should revive my old "Favorite Rapper" thread.

I like Lupe also he is one of my favorites, however I would say song for song pure depth Kanye has him edge out. Food and liquor is prolly one of my top albums ever but kanye has giving out nothing but classic, ill even include 808s and heartbreak. What do you think of Drake?  The the other response I really couldn't care less if you don't value my opinion on Kanye, enough people like and respect his music for me to say I like him and that be enough. It would be hard to explain to someone who doesn't like hip hop why he is good, the same way if I tried to convince people boxing is the best sports its w/e



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Killiana1a on 11 September 2010
elticker said:
Killiana1a said:
ShadowSoldier said:
Killiana1a said:

Kanye is definitely not on the level or ever will be of 2Pac, the Notorious B.I.G. Eminem, and Jay-Z. His early life with a professor for a mother giving him a solid upper middle class upbringing precluded Kanye's chances of garnering the street credibility to write 5 albums about his time slanging dope on the streets. Rappers need street credibility for longevity, without it they lose the rebel image after 2 multi-platinum albums and become just another super star whose esoteric lyrics are hard to relate to unless you are a millionaire celebrity who has gone to drug rehab.

As for the original question, Kanye is a quite bright, but I would not go so far as genius.

Kanye West has been a jackass, but I do not believe he is a jackass. The immaturity has shown, which make some view him as a jackass.

Rappers DON'T NEED street cred to have longevity. Word to Common, Talib and Mos Def


EDIT- Also VGC really hates Rap and Hip Hop. I had a thread about Jay-Z surpassing Elvis for most number 1 albums debut and I got bashed..I'll never forget the most ignorant comment when Seece claimed Hip-Hop wasn't music.

Common, Talib and Mos Def have sold nowhere near the amount of records as 2Pac, the Notorious B.I.G., Eminem and Jay-Z. Likewise, they have nowhere near the influence on the young white kids and black kids in the suburbs who made 2Pac, the Notorious B.I.G., Eminem and Jay-Z multi-millionaires.

It may be Black Culture, but the people making you a millionaire are not young thugs in Queensbridge or Compton; they are young white kids in the suburbs many of whom whose parents combine for $100k a year.

As for longevity, you are right, but playing that type of "game" will not get you rolling in Bentleys and owning private jets.

btw 2 pac has the guiness world record of most money earned while dead, and he sold the most rap albums according to wikipedia, Dont put 2pac and B.I.G in the same league as eminem and Jay-Z cause they are a level or two lower

I agree in terms of influence neither Eminem or Jay-Z have the amount of influence as 2Pac. Hell, Biggie is 5 levels down from 2Pac on influence outside of NYC and the East Coast. There are murals of 2Pac in Mexico and South Africa. I have not seen a mural of Biggie Smalls in Los Angeles. I wonder why ;)

Eminem is up there because he is the first credible White rapper. Before Eminem, every White rapper was compared to and dismissed as just another Vanilla Ice. Eminem made it couture for Whites to be able to take up Hip Hop culture as aspiring rappers, not just buyers of albums.

Jay-Z album sales and mc'ing skills speak for themselves. As a betting man, I would put my money on Jay-Z to win in a free-style competition against 2Pac, Biggie, and Eminem. There is no one mainstream today who can come close to touching Jay-Z on the microphone.

Notice how I say "mainstream" because in my eyes, unknown rappers who could not get their record to gold status (500k sold) in 10 years do not count. The underground is the underground in large part due to the individual underground rappers themselves not cultivating an image appealable to teens in order to make a living off of their raps. Once they get a record to gold and platinum status, then they are worth talking about because we would know who they are.

In terms of making the most money when dead, Elvis Prestley would have to disagree.



Fame_Mcswagg on 11 September 2010
Killiana1a said:
elticker said:
Killiana1a said:
ShadowSoldier said:
Killiana1a said:

Kanye is definitely not on the level or ever will be of 2Pac, the Notorious B.I.G. Eminem, and Jay-Z. His early life with a professor for a mother giving him a solid upper middle class upbringing precluded Kanye's chances of garnering the street credibility to write 5 albums about his time slanging dope on the streets. Rappers need street credibility for longevity, without it they lose the rebel image after 2 multi-platinum albums and become just another super star whose esoteric lyrics are hard to relate to unless you are a millionaire celebrity who has gone to drug rehab.

As for the original question, Kanye is a quite bright, but I would not go so far as genius.

Kanye West has been a jackass, but I do not believe he is a jackass. The immaturity has shown, which make some view him as a jackass.

Rappers DON'T NEED street cred to have longevity. Word to Common, Talib and Mos Def


EDIT- Also VGC really hates Rap and Hip Hop. I had a thread about Jay-Z surpassing Elvis for most number 1 albums debut and I got bashed..I'll never forget the most ignorant comment when Seece claimed Hip-Hop wasn't music.

Common, Talib and Mos Def have sold nowhere near the amount of records as 2Pac, the Notorious B.I.G., Eminem and Jay-Z. Likewise, they have nowhere near the influence on the young white kids and black kids in the suburbs who made 2Pac, the Notorious B.I.G., Eminem and Jay-Z multi-millionaires.

It may be Black Culture, but the people making you a millionaire are not young thugs in Queensbridge or Compton; they are young white kids in the suburbs many of whom whose parents combine for $100k a year.

As for longevity, you are right, but playing that type of "game" will not get you rolling in Bentleys and owning private jets.

btw 2 pac has the guiness world record of most money earned while dead, and he sold the most rap albums according to wikipedia, Dont put 2pac and B.I.G in the same league as eminem and Jay-Z cause they are a level or two lower

I agree in terms of influence neither Eminem or Jay-Z have the amount of influence as 2Pac. Hell, Biggie is 5 levels down from 2Pac on influence outside of NYC and the East Coast. There are murals of 2Pac in Mexico and South Africa. I have not seen a mural of Biggie Smalls in Los Angeles. I wonder why ;)

Eminem is up there because he is the first credible White rapper. Before Eminem, every White rapper was compared to and dismissed as just another Vanilla Ice. Eminem made it couture for Whites to be able to take up Hip Hop culture as aspiring rappers, not just buyers of albums.

Jay-Z album sales and mc'ing skills speak for themselves. As a betting man, I would put my money on Jay-Z to win in a free-style competition against 2Pac, Biggie, and Eminem. There is no one mainstream today who can come close to touching Jay-Z on the microphone.

Notice how I say "mainstream" because in my eyes, unknown rappers who could not get their record to gold status (500k sold) in 10 years do not count. The underground is the underground in large part due to the individual underground rappers themselves not cultivating an image appealable to teens in order to make a living off of their raps. Once they get a record to gold and platinum status, then they are worth talking about because we would know who they are.

In terms of making the most money when dead, Elvis Prestley would have to disagree.


You don't really think jay-z could beat biggie in a battle do you???? I could name 5 rappers alive now who would murder jay-z in a freestyle battle let alone the GOAT bigge. influence wise your right 2pac has it, but he wasn't on the level biggie was.



I'm not martin luther king. I don't have a dream. I have a plan

Sell a man a fish you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish you just ruined a perfect business opportunity.

We didn't emerge out of the stone age because we ran out of stones. Its time to be proactive not reactive.

Fame_Mcswagg on 11 September 2010

Maybe someone should start a hip-hop, r and b thread on vgchartz. there should be some good talk in there.



I'm not martin luther king. I don't have a dream. I have a plan

Sell a man a fish you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish you just ruined a perfect business opportunity.

We didn't emerge out of the stone age because we ran out of stones. Its time to be proactive not reactive.

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WessleWoggle on 11 September 2010

Kanye West makes me outraged. I am outraged!



WessleWoggle on 11 September 2010
Fame_Mcswagg said:

Maybe someone should start a hip-hop, r and b thread on vgchartz. there should be some good talk in there.


Why don't you do it?



Fame_Mcswagg on 11 September 2010

I was thinking about it.. then I read some of this post and apparently there is already one in existance



I'm not martin luther king. I don't have a dream. I have a plan

Sell a man a fish you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish you just ruined a perfect business opportunity.

We didn't emerge out of the stone age because we ran out of stones. Its time to be proactive not reactive.

WessleWoggle on 11 September 2010
Fame_Mcswagg said:

I was thinking about it.. then I read some of this post and apparently there is already one in existance


Point me to it. I need to direct my outrage at it.



Fame_Mcswagg on 11 September 2010
WessleWoggle said:
Fame_Mcswagg said:

I was thinking about it.. then I read some of this post and apparently there is already one in existance


Point me to it. I need to direct my outrage at it.


Looking for it now



I'm not martin luther king. I don't have a dream. I have a plan

Sell a man a fish you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish you just ruined a perfect business opportunity.

We didn't emerge out of the stone age because we ran out of stones. Its time to be proactive not reactive.