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fordy on 08 September 2010
Fumanchu said:

The only thing that I'm more sure of above death and taxes is that both parties will inevitably waste tax payer's money.  Though for my personal circumstances and philosphies I wish to be taxed less, have lower interest rates and a strong aussie dollar.  I believe the coalition to be more capable of providing this in their policies. 


You must be rich then. Conservative parties are only interested in helping out their highly wealthy friends.

As for me, I prefer the middle class majority to receive such tax cuts.



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Fumanchu on 08 September 2010
fordy said:
Fumanchu said:

The only thing that I'm more sure of above death and taxes is that both parties will inevitably waste tax payer's money.  Though for my personal circumstances and philosphies I wish to be taxed less, have lower interest rates and a strong aussie dollar.  I believe the coalition to be more capable of providing this in their policies. 


You must be rich then. Conservative parties are only interested in helping out their highly wealthy friends.

As for me, I prefer the middle class majority to receive such tax cuts.

I don't think that's a fair assessment at all. 



fordy on 08 September 2010
Fumanchu said:
fordy said:
Fumanchu said:

The only thing that I'm more sure of above death and taxes is that both parties will inevitably waste tax payer's money.  Though for my personal circumstances and philosphies I wish to be taxed less, have lower interest rates and a strong aussie dollar.  I believe the coalition to be more capable of providing this in their policies. 


You must be rich then. Conservative parties are only interested in helping out their highly wealthy friends.

As for me, I prefer the middle class majority to receive such tax cuts.

I don't think that's a fair assessment at all. 

Like it or not, that is the foundation of conservative "trickle-down" theory.

Low inflation can be achieved by a larger diversity between rich and poor. This means taxing the rich less, or taxing the poor/middle more. This is how conservatives achieve it.



DrStephenTColbert on 08 September 2010
numonex said:

Julia Gillard is a Communist. Gillard is soft on terrorists. Illegal immigrants will flood Australia:  part of the Socialist International/Communism plan infecting most western world countries with multiculturalism. Illegal Muslim/Islam/gypsy immigrants flood countries and bring all their problems from their homelands to infect other nations.

Australia wanted Tony Abbott. Australia desperately needed Tony Abbott. Australia is forsaken, Australia is doomed under Communist Gillard Labor. Labor = Communism. Tony Abbott represents freedom, choice, liberty and conservative democracy.


Funniest thing I've read all day:  Abbott represents choice.  Also, look out, here come the waves of gypsy immigrants.  They will literally flood Australia.  On the plus side, we can hire Borat to instruct all school age students on the finer points of "Beat the gypsy".



Fumanchu on 08 September 2010
fordy said:
Fumanchu said:
fordy said:
Fumanchu said:

The only thing that I'm more sure of above death and taxes is that both parties will inevitably waste tax payer's money.  Though for my personal circumstances and philosphies I wish to be taxed less, have lower interest rates and a strong aussie dollar.  I believe the coalition to be more capable of providing this in their policies. 


You must be rich then. Conservative parties are only interested in helping out their highly wealthy friends.

As for me, I prefer the middle class majority to receive such tax cuts.

I don't think that's a fair assessment at all. 

Like it or not, that is the foundation of conservative "trickle-down" theory.

Low inflation can be achieved by a larger diversity between rich and poor. This means taxing the rich less, or taxing the poor/middle more. This is how conservatives achieve it.

Well I'm yet to see a modern day coalition government reduce the highest tax bracket only. 



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DrStephenTColbert on 08 September 2010
numonex said:

The 1950s style Soviet propaganda electioneering is still commonly used in the modern age.The Labor Party are equivalent to America's Centre-left  Democrats. The Republican  conservatives refer to their political opponents as the Communists/Socialist International. 


Not exactly.  Both major Australian parties run to the left of the Democrats in the US.  The American system is inherently more right-wing than the Australian system.  Just compare the social safety nets in the two countries. 



fordy on 08 September 2010
Fumanchu said:

Well I'm yet to see a modern day coalition government reduce the highest tax bracket only. 


As I said, there is more than one way to achieve low inflation. Move the higher even higher, or slam the lower even lower.

Why do you think they intorduced WorkChoices? In the very few months that it was active, we saw just what kinds of diabolical schemes employers were forcing their workers to sign, all in the name of increased gain. Those vampire profits were going to go straight to the top end. They would not create more jobs (after all, why employ more when the same amount of employees could do the same amount of work for less).



Fumanchu on 08 September 2010
fordy said:
Fumanchu said:

Well I'm yet to see a modern day coalition government reduce the highest tax bracket only. 


As I said, there is more than one way to achieve low inflation. Move the higher even higher, or slam the lower even lower.

Why do you think they intorduced WorkChoices? In the very few months that it was active, we saw just what kinds of diabolical schemes employers were forcing their workers to sign, all in the name of increased gain. Those vampire profits were going to go straight to the top end. They would not create more jobs (after all, why employ more when the same amount of employees could do the same amount of work for less).

In some ways I kind of view it as the industrial relations reform of 'darwinism' hehe.  I think if you're good at your job and a real asset to the company then there's little to fear from this scheme.  Currently the laws seem most to benefit the half-assed mediocre under union protection to get warnings and multiple chances of being incompetent.  I am definitely opposed to the salary cuts that you mention, but I do believe that in a competitive market, rival businesses would prevent any real salary cuts from stealing away their valued workers. 



fordy on 08 September 2010
Fumanchu said:
fordy said:
Fumanchu said:

Well I'm yet to see a modern day coalition government reduce the highest tax bracket only. 


As I said, there is more than one way to achieve low inflation. Move the higher even higher, or slam the lower even lower.

Why do you think they intorduced WorkChoices? In the very few months that it was active, we saw just what kinds of diabolical schemes employers were forcing their workers to sign, all in the name of increased gain. Those vampire profits were going to go straight to the top end. They would not create more jobs (after all, why employ more when the same amount of employees could do the same amount of work for less).

In some ways I kind of view it as the industrial relations reform of 'darwinism' hehe.  I think if you're good at your job and a real asset to the company then there's little to fear from this scheme.  Currently the laws seem most to benefit the half-assed mediocre under union protection to get warnings and multiple chances of being incompetent.  I am definitely opposed to the salary cuts that you mention, but I do believe that in a competitive market, rival businesses would prevent any real salary cuts from stealing away their valued workers. 

That's a good analogy, but if business put their heads together, they figured if everyone slashed salaries, there would be no 'alternate' job to go to. So they can have their cake and eat it too: their employees would be annoyed, but what could they do, considering every other job in their sector also got a $10k salary cut?



Fumanchu on 08 September 2010
fordy said:
Fumanchu said:
fordy said:
Fumanchu said:

Well I'm yet to see a modern day coalition government reduce the highest tax bracket only. 


As I said, there is more than one way to achieve low inflation. Move the higher even higher, or slam the lower even lower.

Why do you think they intorduced WorkChoices? In the very few months that it was active, we saw just what kinds of diabolical schemes employers were forcing their workers to sign, all in the name of increased gain. Those vampire profits were going to go straight to the top end. They would not create more jobs (after all, why employ more when the same amount of employees could do the same amount of work for less).

In some ways I kind of view it as the industrial relations reform of 'darwinism' hehe.  I think if you're good at your job and a real asset to the company then there's little to fear from this scheme.  Currently the laws seem most to benefit the half-assed mediocre under union protection to get warnings and multiple chances of being incompetent.  I am definitely opposed to the salary cuts that you mention, but I do believe that in a competitive market, rival businesses would prevent any real salary cuts from stealing away their valued workers. 

That's a good analogy, but if business put their heads together, they figured if everyone slashed salaries, there would be no 'alternate' job to go to. So they can have their cake and eat it too: their employees would be annoyed, but what could they do, considering every other job in their sector also got a $10k salary cut?

I don't believe the laws would affect the ACCC stopping business conspiring to make such deals?? Regardless, people talk and strong work ethics and abilities get noticed and would also cause businesses to try to attempt to poach such individuals with better offers.  I don't think it's as evil as most would lead us to believe.