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nordlead said:
Trentonater said:

like off-ten instead of just often

please try again... both your spelling (since you incuded the t in both) and your mostly invalid points.

Often was pronounced with a t-sound until the 17th century, when a pronunciation without the  /t/   came to predominate in the speech of the educated, in both North America and Great Britain, and the earlier pronunciation fell into disfavor. Common use of a spelling pronunciation has since restored the  /t/  for many speakers, and today [aw-fuhn]  and  [awf-tuhn]  [or  [of-uhn]  and [of-tuhn]] exist side by side. Although it is still sometimes criticized, often with a /t/  is now so widely heard from educated speakers that it has become fully standard once again.

also see any decent dictionary that keeps both pronunciations. this is much like herb, which can be pronounced urb or hurb. Both are completely acceptable.

i prefer to use the spelling or pronunciation that sounds better to me such as squid not squids and fish not fishes. i was just say most americans prefer [of-tuhn] unlike me. i wasn't saying it was incorrect. P.S. what is a game DB admin



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voty2000 said:
twesterm said:
voty2000 said:
Trentonater said:

yes the characters in the game use the word buffalo but the game outside the story shouldn't. in other aspects of the game the word usage is different from the characters. but it sounds like you all don't mind like how most americans pronounce "often" without the t being silent


Exactly, we don't mind.  When to Americans are talking to each other they understand the colloquialisms that are being used.  What does it matter if it's not technically correct grammar and such.  English used in the USA has been evolving since it was colonized and there is no reason to stop it.  It makes our version of English unique and most people living the in US could care less if other people think they should us proper English. 


Well since this is a thread about semantics I should point out it's you couldn't care less.  Saying you could care less doesn't really say much.  :-p

I'll use semantics right back at you.  Some Americans do care what people in other countries think of how they talk so they do care.  Thus, Americans as a whole could care a little less.

The context you used it in does not imply that.  Saying you could care less implies that there is some amount of caring that is less than what Americans care.  That's fine, but it's incredibly vague.

If we pretend there are caring units and even let those units have negative numbers we could have person A that has 1000 care units, person B that has -1000 care units, and person C that has -1001 care units.

Obviously since we stated that we can have negative units and didn't place any bounds, any person, person D, could care less than person A, B, or C.  The problem comes with person C.  He does care less than person A and B but just saying person C could care less doesn't quantify how much. 

Your statement makes it sound as if person C cares less the same amount with person A and B.

Now if we say couldn't care less that says there is a minimum which we'll say is 0 care units.  If person A has 100 care units and person B has 0 care units then you could care less than person A which doesn't mean much but you could not care less than person B.  Person B is at the absolute minimum and it is impossible to care less than him.

So saying you could care less is simply vague and implies nothing other than it's possible to care less than you.  In a system that doesn't have limits, that's a pretty meaningless statement, especially in your original context.  Saying you couldn't care less has much more meaning and is not vague.  It immediately tells someone you care the absolute minimum amount and nothing could be done to decrease that amount and nobody can possibly care less than that.



Trentonater said:
nordlead said:
Trentonater said:

like off-ten instead of just often

please try again... both your spelling (since you incuded the t in both) and your mostly invalid points.

Often was pronounced with a t-sound until the 17th century, when a pronunciation without the  /t/   came to predominate in the speech of the educated, in both North America and Great Britain, and the earlier pronunciation fell into disfavor. Common use of a spelling pronunciation has since restored the  /t/  for many speakers, and today [aw-fuhn]  and  [awf-tuhn]  [or  [of-uhn]  and [of-tuhn]] exist side by side. Although it is still sometimes criticized, often with a /t/  is now so widely heard from educated speakers that it has become fully standard once again.

also see any decent dictionary that keeps both pronunciations. this is much like herb, which can be pronounced urb or hurb. Both are completely acceptable.

i prefer to use the spelling or pronunciation that sounds better to me such as squid not squids and fish not fishes. i was just say most americans prefer [of-tuhn] unlike me. i wasn't saying it was incorrect. P.S. what is a game DB admin

It's funny that you are making a thread about semantics and then you make a post like that.

  1. I should be capitalized
  2. There needs to be a comma after me
  3. You make a thread saying what people prefer to call something is a huge mistake yet that's what you like to do
  4. i was just say most is simply beyond wrong.
  5. Americans should be capitalized
  6. You need a ? at the end of the last sentence.

And that was only a quick glance.



twesterm said:
voty2000 said:
twesterm said:
voty2000 said:
Trentonater said:

yes the characters in the game use the word buffalo but the game outside the story shouldn't. in other aspects of the game the word usage is different from the characters. but it sounds like you all don't mind like how most americans pronounce "often" without the t being silent


Exactly, we don't mind.  When to Americans are talking to each other they understand the colloquialisms that are being used.  What does it matter if it's not technically correct grammar and such.  English used in the USA has been evolving since it was colonized and there is no reason to stop it.  It makes our version of English unique and most people living the in US could care less if other people think they should us proper English. 


Well since this is a thread about semantics I should point out it's you couldn't care less.  Saying you could care less doesn't really say much.  :-p

I'll use semantics right back at you.  Some Americans do care what people in other countries think of how they talk so they do care.  Thus, Americans as a whole could care a little less.

The context you used it in does not imply that.  Saying you could care less implies that there is some amount of caring that is less than what Americans care.  That's fine, but it's incredibly vague.

If we pretend there are caring units and even let those units have negative numbers we could have person A that has 1000 care units, person B that has -1000 care units, and person C that has -1001 care units.

Obviously since we stated that we can have negative units and didn't place any bounds, any person, person D, could care less than person A, B, or C.  The problem comes with person C.  He does care less than person A and B but just saying person C could care less doesn't quantify how much. 

Your statement makes it sound as if person C cares less the same amount with person A and B.

Now if we say couldn't care less that says there is a minimum which we'll say is 0 care units.  If person A has 100 care units and person B has 0 care units then you could care less than person A which doesn't mean much but you could not care less than person B.  Person B is at the absolute minimum and it is impossible to care less than him.

So saying you could care less is simply vague and implies nothing other than it's possible to care less than you.  In a system that doesn't have limits, that's a pretty meaningless statement, especially in your original context.  Saying you couldn't care less has much more meaning and is not vague.  It immediately tells someone you care the absolute minimum amount and nothing could be done to decrease that amount and nobody can possibly care less than that.

okay we get it that was over-kill 



twesterm said:
Trentonater said:
nordlead said:
Trentonater said:

like off-ten instead of just often

please try again... both your spelling (since you incuded the t in both) and your mostly invalid points.

Often was pronounced with a t-sound until the 17th century, when a pronunciation without the  /t/   came to predominate in the speech of the educated, in both North America and Great Britain, and the earlier pronunciation fell into disfavor. Common use of a spelling pronunciation has since restored the  /t/  for many speakers, and today [aw-fuhn]  and  [awf-tuhn]  [or  [of-uhn]  and [of-tuhn]] exist side by side. Although it is still sometimes criticized, often with a /t/  is now so widely heard from educated speakers that it has become fully standard once again.

also see any decent dictionary that keeps both pronunciations. this is much like herb, which can be pronounced urb or hurb. Both are completely acceptable.

i prefer to use the spelling or pronunciation that sounds better to me such as squid not squids and fish not fishes. i was just say most americans prefer [of-tuhn] unlike me. i wasn't saying it was incorrect. P.S. what is a game DB admin

It's funny that you are making a thread about semantics and then you make a post like that.

  • I should be capitalized
  • There needs to be a comma after me
  • You make a thread saying what people prefer to call something is a huge mistake yet that's what you like to do
  • i was just say most is simply beyond wrong.
  • Americans should be capitalized
  • You need a ? at the end of the last sentence.
  • And that was only a quick glance.

    I don't punctuate as i have said in another thread. this is the internet not a Harvard entrance exam. this thread was about bison vs buffalo you made it into a semantics thread. what is a games DB admin 



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    Trentonater said:

    I don't punctuate as i have said in another thread. this is the internet not a Harvard entrance exam. this thread was about bison vs buffalo you made it into a semantics thread. what is a games DB admin 


    o rly?



    Outside of scientific circles, only a douche would care.



    Anyone can guess. It takes no effort to throw out lots of predictions and have some of them be correct. You are not and wiser or better for having your guesses be right. Even a blind man can hit the bullseye.

    twesterm said:
    Trentonater said:
     

    I don't punctuate as i have said in another thread. this is the internet not a Harvard entrance exam. this thread was about bison vs buffalo you made it into a semantics thread. what is a games DB admin 


    o rly?


    again bison vs buffalo!



    Grimes said:

    Outside of scientific circles, only a douche would care.


    would only a douche care if everyone called japanese people chinese 



    Trentonater said:
    Grimes said:

    Outside of scientific circles, only a douche would care.


    would only a douche care if everyone called japanese people chinese 


    Are you saying Japanese people are bison?