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Belgian sex abuse tapes amplify Catholic scandals
By Tom Heneghan, Reuters

PARIS - Leaked tapes of Belgium’s Cardinal Godfried Danneels urging a victim not to reveal he was sexually abused by a bishop are some of the most damaging documents to emerge in the scandal rocking the Roman Catholic Church.

The tapes, made secretly by the victim and published in two Belgian newspapers on Saturday, show the former primate of Belgium exhorting him to accept a private apology or wait one year until the bishop retired before making his case public.

Their meeting took place on April 8, at a time when the Vatican was under fire for allegedly covering up similar abuse cases by priests in other countries and shocking abuse claims dominated the news in several European states.

A spokesman for Danneels denied the once popular archbishop of Brussels wanted to cover up the case, which led to the sudden resignation of Bruges Bishop Roger Vangheluwe, 73, later that month, but the tapes show him arguing firmly for silence.

Belgian Church spokesman Jurgen Mettepenningen confirmed to Reuters that the transcripts in the Flemish dailies De Standaard and Het Nieuwsblad were genuine.

“From everything he says, it’s clear that his only aim is to avoid having the case made public so many years after the facts. It is containment, nothing more,” De Standaard wrote in a commentary accusing Danneels of lacking any compassion.

The Church has been hit over the past year by two detailed government reports on sexual abuse in Ireland and waves of abuse allegations in Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Belgium and the Netherlands. Five bishops have quit because of the scandals.

Church and legal documents published in the United States this spring showed how American bishops and the Vatican dealt with predator priests without informing police of their crimes.

RARE VERBATIM RECORD

The Belgian tapes stand out as a rare verbatim record of how a leading Catholic prelate tried to persuade the victim, a 42-year-old nephew of Vangheluwe, to keep the case quiet.

They emerged as a judicial probe into the scandal teetered on the edge of collapse after reports that a June 24 police raid on Church offices and Danneels’s apartment to seize files and computers was illegal and the documents could not be used.

In their one-on-one meeting, the victim says he feels a duty to report the case to the Church hierarchy and asks Danneels to help. The cardinal responds by urging him not to go public.

“The bishop will resign next year, so actually it would be better for you to wait,” the cardinal says. “I don’t think you’d do yourself or him a favour by shouting this from the rooftops.”

The man pleads for help but Danneels, 77, who had stepped down as Brussels archbishop in January, says he cannot discipline Vangheluwe or inform higher authorities, including Pope Benedict. The bishop should turn himself in, he says.

Danneels warns the victim against trying to blackmail the Church and urges him to seek forgiveness, accept a private apology from the bishop and not drag “his name through the mud.”

“He has dragged my whole life through the mud, from 5 until 18 years old,” says the victim, who denies he wants to blackmail anyone. “Why do you feel so sorry for him and not for me?”

SECOND TAPE

In a second tape, Danneels and Vangheluwe meet the victim and one of his relatives. The bishop apologises and says he has searched for years for a way to make up for his misdeeds.

“This is unsolvable,” the relative replies. “You’ve torn our family completely apart.”

Vangheluwe resigned on April 23, admitting he had sexually abused “a boy in my entourage””about 20 years earlier. According to De Standaard, he did this after a relative of the victim emailed all Belgian bishops demanding he quit by late May.

The newspaper said the victim decided to publish the tapes to counter allegations he had tried to blackmail Vangheluwe into paying hush money.

In his defence, Danneels’s spokesman Toon Osaer said the cardinal never meant to cover up the case and had spoken about it at an April 24 news conference.

Belgian media stressed that Danneels had told journalists his role at the April 8 meeting was to listen to the victim’s case and did not mention his bid to persuade him to keep quiet.



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Another reason why all church officials need to be allowed to marry.

 

Silly silly nonsense



If they are supposed to live by gods rules they shouldn't be raping people. They should be kicked out if they have ever done it and have it made public.



stop raping people? those basterds have been doing it for centuries, why'd they stop now?



gurglesletch said:

If they are supposed to live by gods rules they shouldn't be raping people. They should be kicked out if they have ever done it and have it made public.


This. 

What really makes it shameful in my opinion is the fact the church sometimes still try to protect these guys even after these things have been proved. Not the best example, I'd guess.

 

BTW, people prone to commit rape exist everywhere. Unlike some people seem to believe, rapists and people wishing to commit murder and fight wars actually do exist outside the church.



 

 

 

 

 

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I'm from Belgium. Danneels is screwed.

To be fair. The church is at fault for trying to keep it problems quiet, not for promoting child abuse.



In the wilderness we go alone with our new knowledge and strength.

jonager said:

stop raping people? those basterds have been doing it for centuries, why'd they stop now?


Of course the church will protect its own,  fewer and fewer are going into the preisthood these days and the church needs to keep em preaching for the good of the church.  So what if the guy's a pedo?  pfft



Disgusting man.

To be fair, as far as I'm aware church officials are not statistically more likely to commit child abuse than a normal member of the public*, it just becomes far more high profile when it does happen.

But still, this kind of stuff is abhorrent. What's especially terrible is that these people have the audacity to commit the crime and then intimidate the victims into silence, by abusing their position of power and their religious doctrines to keep their victims living in fear. Terrible, just terrible. I don't know how humans can act like this.

(*I don't where I got that info from, but I have heard it before. Feel free to prove me wrong if you know otherwise)



There's a reason why the main enemy of Jesus was the Jewish hierarchy and not the government.  Jewish priests started making ridiculous rules that weren't bibicly sound and they started abusing their power and stealing the offerings of it's people.  The most pissed off Jesus got was at the church, Mathew 21:12, he flipped tables and chairs and threw everyone out of the temple.  If you have a hierarchy in the church there will be corruption and that corruption makes the church look bad.  The Catholics seem to be taking over the Jewish hierarchy and making up their own rules and becoming corrupt.  Instead of demonizing the priests that rape and kicking them out of the church, they try to cover it up so the Vatican doesn't look bad to the public.    If the church truly followed Jesus' teachings, their would not be a governing body over everyone and their wouldn't be so many sects of the christian church.  The heirarchy should be God, then Priests, then the people.  No need for all the other drivel. 

It's not just the Catholic church that are are corrupt, but their hierarchy is global and not just local like many other Christian sects, thus they get more attention.



haxxiy said:
gurglesletch said:

If they are supposed to live by gods rules they shouldn't be raping people. They should be kicked out if they have ever done it and have it made public.


This. 

What really makes it shameful in my opinion is the fact the church sometimes still try to protect these guys even after these things have been proved. Not the best example, I'd guess.

 

BTW, people prone to commit rape exist everywhere. Unlike some people seem to believe, rapists and people wishing to commit murder and fight wars actually do exist outside the church.

I know but the ones from the church get the most attention from the Media. And we all know the average person is highly influenced by the media. Cough H1N1 Cough. BTW i am not an average person.