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whatever on 29 August 2010

I read the articles and I don't see anything in there that isn't true.  Are people not supposed to speak the truth?



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DrStephenTColbert on 29 August 2010

Islam isn't 2000 years old.  Christianity is barely 2000 years old.  Blow yourself.



DrStephenTColbert on 29 August 2010
PizzaFaceGamer said:

Here is where the so called "MODERATE IMAM" said USA is worse than al-qaeda

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=38673

Here is where the "HOLY IMAM" said USA is responsible for 9-11

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/08/19/ground-zero-mosque-imams-controversial-60-minutes-interview

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The liberal media once again covers up the truth about this so called moderate imam. 

 

Glenn Beck has also called America an accessory to 9/11.  He has also called Imam Rauf a "good muslim".  Why is no one investigating Glenn Beck?

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201008230004



DrStephenTColbert on 29 August 2010
TheRealMafoo said:
im_sneaky said:

He said the U.S. killed more innocent muslims than Al-qaeda, and he is right. American foreign policy armed Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, so it could be said that they caused 9/11.


That's like saying whoever invented the gun, caused the death of everyone who was shot and killed by one.


Not exactly.  The speech was given in 2005, after the start of Operation Iraqi Freedom.  It was estimated that in 2003, there were more than 70000 Iraqi civilian casualties.  http://www.cdi.org/PDFs/CRS on Civilian Casualties 2007.pdf

If you look at Rauf's speech in context, it's pretty clear that he's talking about the comparatively higher cost that Iraqi citizens had paid at the hands of U.S. forces.  Then again, when comments are examined in context, they seem a lot more sensible, and far less hate-filled, so forget that!



Kasz216 on 29 August 2010
DrStephenTColbert said:
PizzaFaceGamer said:

Here is where the so called "MODERATE IMAM" said USA is worse than al-qaeda

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=38673

Here is where the "HOLY IMAM" said USA is responsible for 9-11

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/08/19/ground-zero-mosque-imams-controversial-60-minutes-interview

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The liberal media once again covers up the truth about this so called moderate imam. 

 

Glenn Beck has also called America an accessory to 9/11.  He has also called Imam Rauf a "good muslim".  Why is no one investigating Glenn Beck?

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201008230004


Because everyone already thinks Glenn Beck is insane?



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DrStephenTColbert on 29 August 2010
Kasz216 said:
DrStephenTColbert said:
PizzaFaceGamer said:

Here is where the so called "MODERATE IMAM" said USA is worse than al-qaeda

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=38673

Here is where the "HOLY IMAM" said USA is responsible for 9-11

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/08/19/ground-zero-mosque-imams-controversial-60-minutes-interview

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The liberal media once again covers up the truth about this so called moderate imam. 

 

Glenn Beck has also called America an accessory to 9/11.  He has also called Imam Rauf a "good muslim".  Why is no one investigating Glenn Beck?

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201008230004

 


Because everyone already thinks Glenn Beck is insane?

A snake oil salesman, absolutely.  Insane, unfortunately not.



Scoobes on 29 August 2010
theman88 said:

Christianity is older than Islam, yet for 2000 years the muslims have been fighting amongst each other     yes the west and us infidels are worse than Muslims    .... blow me

Ignorance at it's finest here. How can muslims have been fighting each other for 2000 years when the religion is nowhere near that old.

And do you honestly believe Chritianity doesn't have as much blood-shed in its history as Islam or any other religion for that matter?




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Scruff7 on 29 August 2010

This is so full of crap. A well informed, mature debate over this is impossible.



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Kynes on 29 August 2010
Scoobes said:
theman88 said:

Christianity is older than Islam, yet for 2000 years the muslims have been fighting amongst each other     yes the west and us infidels are worse than Muslims    .... blow me

Ignorance at it's finest here. How can muslims have been fighting each other for 2000 years when the religion is nowhere near that old.

And do you honestly believe Chritianity doesn't have as much blood-shed in its history as Islam or any other religion for that matter?


There is a difference between Islam and all the other religions. Holy war. There have been errors in Christianity, hundreds of years ago, but the crusades aren't one of the precepts of Christianity, they were errors of a time where popes were also kings.



fighter on 29 August 2010

The fundamental issue here is that an Imam seeks publicity and religious/political influence through one of marketings four P's : Place

 

And it's working. This guy is going to become a leading figure in US politics, for the best and... lots of the worst.

 

And stop blaming everything on cold-war politics, it's only part of one ingredient in the following equation (anger) :

Islam = religious ideology undistinguished political ideology   military/warfare applications for an uneducated and angry mass.