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sapphi_snake said:
richardhutnik said:

My understanding on this is the teaching connects to Paul's writings where he tells people to be content in their station in life.  If you are single, stay single.  If you are married, stay married.  I believe that this is a measure of a maturity, the ability to find contentment in any situation.  I believe also priests are not to remarry once their wife passes on either.  I did have a priest tell me it was akward socially to remarry due to nature of how congregational life works.  

Paul says it is not a sin to marry, so maybe there is some changes there based on where the priest is out of.

Maturity? Really? Seems more like being a pushover to me.

You relate being content to being a pushover?  Being able to accept circumstances without being driven to be emotionally unbalanced, such as being perpetually angry or depressed or negative is a strength.  Like, individuals who can be single and not get lonely, are stronger.  People who are mature have seen more and are able to put up with more.

Care to argue how it isn't? 



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richardhutnik said:

You relate being content to being a pushover?  Being able to accept circumstances without being driven to be emotionally unbalanced, such as being perpetually angry or depressed or negative is a strength.  Like, individuals who can be single and not get lonely, are stronger.  People who are mature have seen more and are able to put up with more.

Care to argue how it isn't? 

Everything taken in excess is bad. That includes contemptment. If you're always contempt, even when you have good reason not to be you'll never make any progress in life. Life doesn't get better without puttin effort to change it, and being unsatisfied with your current situation is a good incentive. Of course if unsatisfaction is taken in excess that it can have the opposite effect, but still the middle road is the best.

The  type of thinking that you talked about (contemptment in any situation) has had a very strong influence in Romanian culture and it's one of the main reasons why Romania sucks so much. I often remember reading Romanian literary works that had exactly this theme: a person tries to better their life only to fail miserably. Moral: be contempt with what you have, don't try to better your life 'cause you'll fail, you're gonna be a worthless POS forever.

The philosophy you talk about doesn't ilustrate maturity, it ilustrates fear. The fear of change and the fear of taking risks.



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sapphi_snake said:
richardhutnik said:

My understanding on this is the teaching connects to Paul's writings where he tells people to be content in their station in life.  If you are single, stay single.  If you are married, stay married.  I believe that this is a measure of a maturity, the ability to find contentment in any situation.  I believe also priests are not to remarry once their wife passes on either.  I did have a priest tell me it was akward socially to remarry due to nature of how congregational life works.  

Paul says it is not a sin to marry, so maybe there is some changes there based on where the priest is out of.

Maturity? Really? Seems more like being a pushover to me.

when Paul advises people to stay single, it's only when men were about to go out to war.  so then the woman wouldn't have to a widow.  (That's what I was taught anyways). 

It's sad thought that churches make stupid rules that's not in the bible just so that they could look "holy".  Stupid.



sapphi_snake said:
Killy_Vorkosigan said:

Pretty interesting since I had the same problems a decade ago.

At 16, I opened my eyes and found out I couldn't believe all this religious nonsense. I just told my parents I didn't believe these anymore and mass was just a waste of time. Of course my parents went maniac about this, and even threatened me to get me out of school. I began to refuse to go to the mass (as we did every sunday), but they kinda forced me to go at first, then I refused to participate to communion, did not sang anymore, just couldn't do anything than sit without moving. After a while, I just did not got to mass anymore and my parents kinda accepted my refusal of religion. Although, I got definitively out of my parents house for my studies, and finally my relationship with my parents got really better.

I also did something at that time, that may have helped things a lot : I went to see a local priest and told him the whole story. I don't know if it helped, or if he talked to my parents, it just helped me to talk about this to someone. Even if religions disgusts me in general, I've to say that I've met a lot of priests who were really fine, understanding persons. This may help you, to see the local priest for mediation between you and your parents.

 

Good luck, you'll need some.

 

 

 

Edit : yes Wiccan ? ^^ sorry, I had to make that joke :D :goes to bed:

Priests aren't allowed to share what you tell them during confession. You should've had him fired for that.


actually, talking to a priest isn't automatically an act of confession. It's different if you are willing to confess (where the priest serves as a kind of channel(conduit?) to God)  or do you just want to talk to priest seeking advice or guidance.

About your problem, religion is an individual choice, and like many other individual preferences, your choice is a subject to criticism from other members of your community. One can accept you as who you choose to be, or one can decide to distance him/herself from you. There are many variables on which this decision is to be made, and if your parents really love you, they will love you after you explain your proplem to them. Just don't expect that they will be happy with your choice. It's similar to console fanboyism - if your friend is a nintendo fanboy, and you are an avid supporter of ps3, you can normally continue to be friends, but you will hardly ever agree on some console-related topic. But ofcourse, while it's similar, religion has a far greater impact on one's life, and according to some, one's afterlife. 

Out of pure curiosity, why have you became atheist? HAve you considered other religions before you decided? Have you actually give your parent's religion a try (reading and research about dogmas and so on)? Have you found satisfying answers of complex questions such as existence in logic? Can you imagine your cease of existence on this world, and are you satisfied where yoi imagine yourself after that?

I know those are highly individual questions, and you don't have to answer them if you feel uncomfortable.



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sapphi_snake said:
SciFiBoy2.0 said:

wait, thats a big deal?

my parents have known im an atheist since I was like 14/15 when I became one, lol

Well Spock, my parents are fundies. You should hear what they say about people of other religions (and by this I also mean other Christian religions like Catholics or Protestants), let alone about atheists.

Just out of curiosity, what do they say about us Catholics? (And don't even bother replying if they call us "fish-eaters." I've heard that so much it's not offensive anymore).

 

OP: As a former atheist who has, as they say, "seen the light," I really have no advice. I never told my parents I was atheist, and by the time I was able to tell them I had converted back to Catholicism.



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Coca-Cola said:

when Paul advises people to stay single, it's only when men were about to go out to war.  so then the woman wouldn't have to a widow.  (That's what I was taught anyways). 

It's sad thought that churches make stupid rules that's not in the bible just so that they could look "holy".  Stupid.

Shouldn't Paul be preaching against war?



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

sapphi_snake said:
richardhutnik said:

You relate being content to being a pushover?  Being able to accept circumstances without being driven to be emotionally unbalanced, such as being perpetually angry or depressed or negative is a strength.  Like, individuals who can be single and not get lonely, are stronger.  People who are mature have seen more and are able to put up with more.

Care to argue how it isn't? 

Everything taken in excess is bad. That includes contemptment. If you're always contempt, even when you have good reason not to be you'll never make any progress in life. Life doesn't get better without puttin effort to change it, and being unsatisfied with your current situation is a good incentive. Of course if unsatisfaction is taken in excess that it can have the opposite effect, but still the middle road is the best.

The  type of thinking that you talked about (contemptment in any situation) has had a very strong influence in Romanian culture and it's one of the main reasons why Romania sucks so much. I often remember reading Romanian literary works that had exactly this theme: a person tries to better their life only to fail miserably. Moral: be contempt with what you have, don't try to better your life 'cause you'll fail, you're gonna be a worthless POS forever.

The philosophy you talk about doesn't ilustrate maturity, it ilustrates fear. The fear of change and the fear of taking risks.

What is the other option?  The American culture is one of always being miserable and wanting more.  You keep acquiring and never have any peace or happiness.  In this culture they keep selling more and more meaningless stuff.  The key here is to being able to be happy with what you have and appreciate it.  You can pursue more, but the idea is to not have your happiness lie outside yourself.  If you can't enjoy what you have, more stuff doesn't make a difference.  Key is to work out of where you are to have things get better, not suck where they are and not be as bad.   In this way, getting more is a blessing, rather than and end of suck.

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Teo said:
lestatdark said:
AkibaFan said:
lestatdark said:

I had to tell my parents, who are mildly Christian based, that I had converted to the Wicca religion. It wasn't nice and pretty at the start, and I had to deal with a load of bad stuff coming from them in the first days.

Eventually they grew to accept it, because that's who I am and what I believe, and they (as I) found that there is no reason why the two beliefs couldn't co-exist.

My grandparents (from my father side) were another whole story. They are fervent religious people, they have a gigantic cross on their backyard and have had priest do mass on their house. I was called child of the devil, witch, Satan himself and threatened by them. 

Since then I haven't talked to them, if they chose not to accept me for what I believe then it's their loss, not mine. I will always respect them and accept them for their choices, even though their attitudes really go against what the Christian religion supposedly represents.

tht must have been hard for you. hopefully they will supprt u soon

It was harder for my dad, since he was a bit torn in that time. I really don't mind if they don't support me, it's their decision. It just saddens me to personally know people who know little of what is to actually love and comprehend all for what they are, closed in dogmas that have no sense nowadays.

I hope you realize there is no such thing as magic. Lay off the videogames dude.


LMFAO!Couldn't have said it better myself



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Coca-Cola said:
sapphi_snake said:
richardhutnik said:

My understanding on this is the teaching connects to Paul's writings where he tells people to be content in their station in life.  If you are single, stay single.  If you are married, stay married.  I believe that this is a measure of a maturity, the ability to find contentment in any situation.  I believe also priests are not to remarry once their wife passes on either.  I did have a priest tell me it was akward socially to remarry due to nature of how congregational life works.  

Paul says it is not a sin to marry, so maybe there is some changes there based on where the priest is out of.

Maturity? Really? Seems more like being a pushover to me.

when Paul advises people to stay single, it's only when men were about to go out to war.  so then the woman wouldn't have to a widow.  (That's what I was taught anyways). 

It's sad thought that churches make stupid rules that's not in the bible just so that they could look "holy".  Stupid.

Paul said to stay in the station in your life you were found.  If single, stay single.  If married, stay married.  Gain freedom if possible though.  Paul also writes about being content in all things.



sapphi_snake said:
NiKKoM said:

Meh.. 21 is a nice age to leave the house..

Yeah... and live on the streets.

Or......do what everyone else in the real world does at that age ( I was 19), save some money from your job and get an apartment.



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