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sapphi_snake said:
richardhutnik said:
sapphi_snake said:
richardhutnik said:

And what I wrote is that this isn't middle of the road, but a skill.  It is not to say life can't overwhelm, but there is no downside at being able to find good in where you are irregardless of where you are.  It is a bit like having wealth or good friends or good health... no need for moderation here.

Yes there is a downside to that. If you always do that and it becomes a habbit you can wind up constantly resorting to that instead of taking action and fix the problem. You can end up living a life of denial because of fear and lack of assertiveness.

Depends on your motivationsal source.  Why does one need to be motivated by things apparently sucking in order to enact change, rather than can do better?  Is one not capable to  see things as good, better, and even better, rather than horrible, sucks and ok?  I will say being able to fing good in all situations is a skill the empowers a person to find needed resources and not overlook them.  In this also is the ability to also obtain hope.  If there is any downside, I would say that more is needed in a person than just this.

I think that the best course of action in this case may also depend on the person and his/her personality. A scared, gutless person following the philosophy you described may find comfort in his/her current situation by deluding themselves ('cause it's easier and requires less effort) and simply never make any progress. An overtly-abitions and shallow person following the opposite philosophy may end up constantly unsatisfied, always wanting more and never appreciating what they do have. Like I said, there's no answer that works for everyone.

What I wrote on is not someone who settles, as being in contrast with something else, but rather someone who happens to find legitimate good in something as is, and sees how they can use it as a resource.  It is a case of accepting what is and seeing how it can be used, rather than resigning over what is not.

Anyhow, my take is what you get or don't get in life is independent of what you want or don't want.  It is possible for one, on the one hand, maintain a good attitude and find good in their situation, while doing things to bring about change that is needed.  I would say, in fact, the person with a good attitude is more likely to get than the person who is desperate.  This is not to say desperation can't be a starting point, but that is all that it is, a starting point.

On a practical level, consider the case of prolonged unemployment with a need to find work.  Does hating being unemployed and wanting out, and showing an employer you are willing to take anything just to no longer be unemployed more or less likely to get one out of being unemployed?  I would say less likely.  I would say, on the other hand, if you appreciate what you have, and get a good attitude and right focus, the chances for change are better.  Same with someone who is single and lonely, and wanting a partner.  If you wish to argue against this, please feel free to.



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Teo said:
lestatdark said:
Teo said:
lestatdark said:
AkibaFan said:
lestatdark said:

I had to tell my parents, who are mildly Christian based, that I had converted to the Wicca religion. It wasn't nice and pretty at the start, and I had to deal with a load of bad stuff coming from them in the first days.

Eventually they grew to accept it, because that's who I am and what I believe, and they (as I) found that there is no reason why the two beliefs couldn't co-exist.

My grandparents (from my father side) were another whole story. They are fervent religious people, they have a gigantic cross on their backyard and have had priest do mass on their house. I was called child of the devil, witch, Satan himself and threatened by them. 

Since then I haven't talked to them, if they chose not to accept me for what I believe then it's their loss, not mine. I will always respect them and accept them for their choices, even though their attitudes really go against what the Christian religion supposedly represents.

tht must have been hard for you. hopefully they will supprt u soon

It was harder for my dad, since he was a bit torn in that time. I really don't mind if they don't support me, it's their decision. It just saddens me to personally know people who know little of what is to actually love and comprehend all for what they are, closed in dogmas that have no sense nowadays.

I hope you realize there is no such thing as magic. Lay off the videogames dude.

And why do you pin Wiccans as fervent believers of some mystical and unexplained force? What we call magick can be explained as a series of practices meant to be some form of meditation, that can enhance the production of stimulants inside the body for our well being.

Incenses and herb teas have been scientifically proven to stimulate production of endorphin, serotonin and dopamine, which are very important well-being hormones.

You say that you as an atheist must question everything logically. I do that as well, since I'm a geneticists. I logically know that most of the things we believe in don't seem logical at first glance, but it's far from being so.

As for the belief in pagan gods, well, that just boils down to personal belief of something bigger than ourselves I guess.

And for your last comment, which was very uncalled for, what does videogames have to do with someone's personal belief?

What CAN BE. TO A PERSON.

So what exactaly do YOU believe if not all of the above?

What do incenses and herb teas have anything to do with the supernatural? Nothing. Everyone around the world knows and uses herbs to remedy.

If you believe in pagan gods for the personal belief of something bigger than your self, wouldn't that just make you agonistic? Which basically means you are not sure at all what to believe.

As for the last comment, it has everything to do with your personal belief. You say you changed religion, and you are in a videogame forum posting most of the time. One can only wonder how exactly you got from ridiculous point A to ridiculous point B. Don't take it so personal, there are even more ridiculous things people believe in.

Well, it's not my place to tell you what to believe, as it's not your place to tell me what I should believe and I'm not gonna waste vocabulary with a person who clearly doesn't care about Wicca

And I was Wiccan way before I started posting here on the forums (this is the only forum I've ever posted on), so I still fail to see the correlation between the two things. Probably because you actually haven't got any argument against the religion itself.

No problem in you thinking it's ridiculous, trust me, that's actually one of the minor bad things i've heard about Wicca beliefs. 



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Nirvana_Nut85 said:
Teo said:

I hope you realize there is no such thing as magic. Lay off the videogames dude.


LMFAO!Couldn't have said it better myself


I just to say something.

I am disgusted. Absolutely and undeniably disgusted by you two.

You don't get to pass judgment on someone else's beliefs.

How dare you insult someone for what they think. Faith requires belief in something that may be extraordinary. Christianity maintains that someone could turn water into wine which violates the laws of science. But I don't go around insulting them. Religion does not strictly adhere to the laws of science, and you don't get to act so haughty because of this.

And I hope you know how ignorant you sound. They don't believe in magic like Harry Potter. It's completely different.



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Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

sapphi_snake said:

Can you imagine your cease of existence on this world, and are you satisfied where yoi imagine yourself after that?

You die, you stop functioning (like a broken machine), you decompose and become worm food. That's all. The ideea of an afterlife is a nice thought, but it's only something that makes death less scary. It's notgrounded in reality though.


So, how do you exactly cope with the fact, that all experiences and your memories (playing and finishing great games for example), all your emotional and spiritual achievments(not religious-related, but more in the way of finding your place in society, friendships, loves, and so on), in short your whole world, will simply be erased with your death, like it never existed?

I think that logic and science can explain lots of things, but what's with the menaing of life?



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i dont like organized religion, i dont feel like going somewhere where im told what to believe in or what to do(though that may not be the case with other places). however, im not willing to write off the possibility of a higher being either. truth is, i really dont care anymore. i just dont live with religion in my life anymore (though i find its history fascinating). i dont go to church and dont pray( my family does say a "grace" before dinner, mainly because my mom is really religious). i have called myself agnostic but im not sure its that anymore.

But i make it a point to respect other people's religion. im not going to tell people they're stupid for believing in a religion, nor am i gonna corner a religious person and tell how wrong they are or make fun of them for believing and having a faith. that is stupid and ignorant and it disgusts me to see people like that. i just let them believe in what they want to believe in. if they're happy in their beliefs, than im glad for them(however, im not above taking a few stabs at religion jokingly).

anywho your parents sound pretty grounded. if you tell them you'll no doubt get backlash, but i dont think they'll kick you out. if you really think they will, make sure you have a place to stay just in case like a friends house. also make sure you can afford to get out and on your own.

my dad isnt very religious and knows im not(he hasnt said anything but im sure he knows). he's cool with it. My mom is really religious(comes with an illness she got a few years back) and im sure has taken notice of me not wanting to go to church or my lack of interest in faith. i can tell it bugs her alot. my brother just went to college and before he went my mom would always ask if he would say grace before he ate dinner. im not going to out right tell her i dont care for religion, but im sure she knows.



                                                                                                  
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joora said:
sapphi_snake said:

Can you imagine your cease of existence on this world, and are you satisfied where yoi imagine yourself after that?

You die, you stop functioning (like a broken machine), you decompose and become worm food. That's all. The ideea of an afterlife is a nice thought, but it's only something that makes death less scary. It's notgrounded in reality though.


So, how do you exactly cope with the fact, that all experiences and your memories (playing and finishing great games for example), all your emotional and spiritual achievments(not religious-related, but more in the way of finding your place in society, friendships, loves, and so on), in short your whole world, will simply be erased with your death, like it never existed?

I think that logic and science can explain lots of things, but what's with the menaing of life?

When personalized, it is a scary thing.  People try to grab onto fame to make a difference.  It is also hard to derive meaning from something unless you know its intention.

On a side note, I think one can tell one's purpose in life if they ask how they want the world to change.



dtewi said:
Nirvana_Nut85 said:
Teo said:

I hope you realize there is no such thing as magic. Lay off the videogames dude.


LMFAO!Couldn't have said it better myself


I just to say something.

I am disgusted. Absolutely and undeniably disgusted by you two.

You don't get to pass judgment on someone else's beliefs.

How dare you insult someone for what they think. Faith requires belief in something that may be extraordinary. Christianity maintains that someone could turn water into wine which violates the laws of science. But I don't go around insulting them. Religion does not strictly adhere to the laws of science, and you don't get to act so haughty because of this.

And I hope you know how ignorant you sound. They don't believe in magic like Harry Potter. It's completely different.

"dtewi, He's a font of misplaced rage. Name your cliché; Mother held him too much or not enough, last picked at kickball, late night sneaky uncle, whatever. Now he's so angry moments of levity actually cause him pain; gives him headaches. Happiness, for that gentleman, hurts. " 

Now that we got that out of the way (gotta love putting people's names in that quote from con air) stop being so over dramatic nd get over it. People on the site make comments  a "hell" of a lot worse about Christianity than what Teo said about Wicca and you don't see me pissing my pants and crying about it or getting offended.

His comment was hilarious simple as that, and if you look into some of the spells they believe they can do (they also believe in black magic, they just dont practice it for certain moral reasons apparently) then his comment doesnt seem so disgusting.





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joora said:
sapphi_snake said:

Can you imagine your cease of existence on this world, and are you satisfied where yoi imagine yourself after that?

You die, you stop functioning (like a broken machine), you decompose and become worm food. That's all. The ideea of an afterlife is a nice thought, but it's only something that makes death less scary. It's notgrounded in reality though.


So, how do you exactly cope with the fact, that all experiences and your memories (playing and finishing great games for example), all your emotional and spiritual achievments(not religious-related, but more in the way of finding your place in society, friendships, loves, and so on), in short your whole world, will simply be erased with your death, like it never existed?

I think that logic and science can explain lots of things, but what's with the menaing of life?

Well I learned to be content with the way things are (richardhutnik must be proud ). It ain't pretty, but that's just how things are.



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Nirvana_Nut85 said:
dtewi said:
Nirvana_Nut85 said:
Teo said:

I hope you realize there is no such thing as magic. Lay off the videogames dude.


LMFAO!Couldn't have said it better myself


I just to say something.

I am disgusted. Absolutely and undeniably disgusted by you two.

You don't get to pass judgment on someone else's beliefs.

How dare you insult someone for what they think. Faith requires belief in something that may be extraordinary. Christianity maintains that someone could turn water into wine which violates the laws of science. But I don't go around insulting them. Religion does not strictly adhere to the laws of science, and you don't get to act so haughty because of this.

And I hope you know how ignorant you sound. They don't believe in magic like Harry Potter. It's completely different.

"dtewi, He's a font of misplaced rage. Name your cliché; Mother held him too much or not enough, last picked at kickball, late night sneaky uncle, whatever. Now he's so angry moments of levity actually cause him pain; gives him headaches. Happiness, for that gentleman, hurts. " 

Now that we got that out of the way (gotta love putting people's names in that quote from con air) stop being so over dramatic nd get over it. People on the site make comments  a "hell" of a lot worse about Christianity than what Teo said about Wicca and you don't see me pissing my pants and crying about it or getting offended.

His comment was hilarious simple as that, and if you look into some of the spells they believe they can do (they also believe in black magic, they just dont practice it for certain moral reasons apparently) then his comment doesnt seem so disgusting.



Actually on this site, I've seen far worse comments regarding religion as a whole than just Christianity, Wicca or any other religion. Again, his comment didn't mean anything to me, it's just that it's kinda pathetic and ignorant telling someone's belief is due to playing videogames. Shows how little Teo knows about Wicca.

As for Wicca believing in Black Magic, you're far, far away from what Wicca is. We abhor anything that has to do with Black Magic. If you're trying to peg us as some kind of satanists, then you're no better than Teo in your lack of knowledge of what is to be a Wicca. 

I hope that you lay off what Christians usually teach of Wicca before you make those kind of assumptions.



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sapphi_snake said:

.. as an atheist. But I'm afraid to tell my parents. It's terrbile! I can't keep living a lie! I can't keep pretending to be someone I'm not! I'm tired of the atheist closet! It's cramp and there's barely enough air to breathe.

But I'm afraid they'll reject me and throw me out. I don't wanna live on the streets. I'll never be able to compete with the professional hobos.It's a tough world out there and I have 0 street cred.

And what if the force me to see a priest and try to "fix" me. What if they take me to some Christian camp where I'm bombarded constantly on how I'm living a sick twisted lifestyle and that I'm gonna burn in hell? What if they try to brainwash me???

Has anyone here had to tell their (very religous) parents that they became atheist/converted to another religion? How did you tell your parents? How did they take it? All advice/stories are welcomed.

Admitting being gay is a much harder endeavor, believe me. Your entire life is turned upside down and even people you thought as friends and family turn hostile or avoid you.

I say come out and filter out of your life those that don't really love you, even your family. If they truly love you, they won't let issues like religion stand in the way. Screw the rest. Be who you want to be; we only get to live once.