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Slimebeast on 24 August 2010
Squilliam said:

For what its worth, I don't believe Sony has yet profited directly from Blu Ray with their Blu Ray fabrications. From what I hear they have too much capacity and not enough utilization at present and their fabs have thus far lost them money.

Thats what I read from www.beyond3d.com, you can take it or leave it.

What fabs? U mean the Sony Blu ray players or do they make the lasers for all manufacturers?



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huaxiong90 on 24 August 2010
WarmachineX said:
ultraslick said:

virtually nothing to do with gaming?

What a crock of shit, seriously. We all know the advantages a bluray disc has in gaming.


You must be referring to the higher development costs? or perhaps the added free time you have between loading screens? ;)

BR has no future in gaming, as MS nor Nintendo will never use it in a console.

As proven with FFXIII, right? Oh, wait...



Rockstar: Announce Bully 2 already and make gamers proud!

Kojima: Come out with Project S already!

Squilliam on 24 August 2010
Slimebeast said:
Squilliam said:

For what its worth, I don't believe Sony has yet profited directly from Blu Ray with their Blu Ray fabrications. From what I hear they have too much capacity and not enough utilization at present and their fabs have thus far lost them money.

Thats what I read from www.beyond3d.com, you can take it or leave it.

What fabs? U mean the Sony Blu ray players or do they make the lasers for all manufacturers?

The discs themselves. From what I recall the majority of their patents relate to manufacturing of the discs and they have something like 90% of world wide Blu Ray production capacity under their wing.



Tease.

Slimebeast on 24 August 2010
Squilliam said:
Slimebeast said:
Squilliam said:

For what its worth, I don't believe Sony has yet profited directly from Blu Ray with their Blu Ray fabrications. From what I hear they have too much capacity and not enough utilization at present and their fabs have thus far lost them money.

Thats what I read from www.beyond3d.com, you can take it or leave it.

What fabs? U mean the Sony Blu ray players or do they make the lasers for all manufacturers?

The discs themselves. From what I recall the majority of their patents relate to manufacturing of the discs and they have something like 90% of world wide Blu Ray production capacity under their wing.

What? U mean the actual disc that a movie like Dark Knight comes on? And blank discs too?

I thought anyone could make Bluray discs, just like DVDs.



Squilliam on 24 August 2010
Slimebeast said:
Squilliam said:
Slimebeast said:
Squilliam said:

For what its worth, I don't believe Sony has yet profited directly from Blu Ray with their Blu Ray fabrications. From what I hear they have too much capacity and not enough utilization at present and their fabs have thus far lost them money.

Thats what I read from www.beyond3d.com, you can take it or leave it.

What fabs? U mean the Sony Blu ray players or do they make the lasers for all manufacturers?

The discs themselves. From what I recall the majority of their patents relate to manufacturing of the discs and they have something like 90% of world wide Blu Ray production capacity under their wing.

What? U mean the actual disc that a movie like Dark Knight comes on? And blank discs too?

I thought anyone could make Bluray discs, just like DVDs.


Nope, they control most of the actual disc making from what I have seen.

Both blanks and actual movies, yes. If you want to make a PS3 game you need to use Sony's own fabrication plant.



Tease.

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Icyedge on 24 August 2010
Squilliam said:


Nope, they control most of the actual disc making from what I have seen.

Both blanks and actual movies, yes. If you want to make a PS3 game you need to use Sony's own fabrication plant.


Im not personally inform of that, but, it make sense. After all, they sold PS3s below cost for quite a while, they needed incentives somewhere else.



kowhoho on 24 August 2010
Cypher1980 said:
kowhoho said:
PizzaFaceGamer said:
Vetteman94 said:

Its just another Blu-ray is doomed DD is probably going to take over despite Blu-ray outpacing DD.  Also if it was as well a researched as you claim they wouldnt have said the 20GB PS3 did not come with an HDMI output which is wrong.  All PS3s have come with them. 


Not true at all. This says nothing about blu-ray being doomed, it says it MASSIVELY UNDERPERFORMED, which I think we can all agree on.

Even last year kaz said blu-ray revenue would be 50%, but it still sits today at only around 15%, despite HUGE discounts on discs and players. You can get  a blu-ray player from walmart for 80 bucks!

Price isn't the issue, blu-ray just isn't that popular

I made your post stick out even more! Cuz you know, saying things loudly and with authority pretty much makes them the truth.

Hitler once said that if you tell a lie loud enough and long enough it eventually becomes true.

 DO YOU REALLY WANT TO BE LIKE HITLER?!?!?!?!?!?!

Oh the Irony.....

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. ...truth is the mortal enemy of the lie."
- Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Germany Propaganda Minister

Did you ever consider that I might have been intentionally ironic just to prove a point?

 

....or that maybe I was just throwing a lighthearted jab?

The world may never know (but you don't have to make it seem like you're shooting me off of some kind of high horse by insinuating that I'm a fool).



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serav on 24 August 2010
Killiana1a said:

Does anyone remember when DVDs started taking over the home movie format from videocassettes? Wikipedia is reporting that DVDs were first created in 1995. I first started noticing mass produced DVDs from 1999 on.

Blu ray was created in 2006, it is 2010 and a poster before me noted that,

"http://www.homemediamagazine.com/  11% marketshare (total revenue - not just "top 20") after 4 years on the market. And I have yet to see a pc game on Blu-Ray."

-mitlar37

Have we reached the mass crossover appeal from the higher end home video market to the mass home video market for blu ray? If not, then why not? If so, then why does my brand new 2010 gaming laptop come with a DVD-RW player?

It has been 4 years. I would be stunned if the cost of production for blu ray movies is not equal nor less than DVDs at this point.

blu ray was created on 2003-4 on japan mass produced on 2007.

DVD was popular until some years later like 2003



Killiana1a on 25 August 2010
serav said:
Killiana1a said:

Does anyone remember when DVDs started taking over the home movie format from videocassettes? Wikipedia is reporting that DVDs were first created in 1995. I first started noticing mass produced DVDs from 1999 on.

Blu ray was created in 2006, it is 2010 and a poster before me noted that,

"http://www.homemediamagazine.com/  11% marketshare (total revenue - not just "top 20") after 4 years on the market. And I have yet to see a pc game on Blu-Ray."

-mitlar37

Have we reached the mass crossover appeal from the higher end home video market to the mass home video market for blu ray? If not, then why not? If so, then why does my brand new 2010 gaming laptop come with a DVD-RW player?

It has been 4 years. I would be stunned if the cost of production for blu ray movies is not equal nor less than DVDs at this point.

blu ray was created on 2003-4 on japan mass produced on 2007.

DVD was popular until some years later like 2003

Where I am at in the heart of California, well over 90% of my friends , family and co-workers still use DVDs over Blu Ray in mid- to late-2010. I can name 1 out of 10 friends who has gone Blu Ray exclusive, the rest are sticking to DVDs because Blu Ray doesn't really constitute the leap that videocassette to DVD did for home movie entertainment.

Now if we are taking about HD television, then yes, most have gone HD. Blu ray, not so much.



thelifatree on 25 August 2010

It's also not the same thing as from video cassette to dvd. As you didn't have to have a better tv with it too.

you also have to get a different TV for it to be useful. Yes thats what's being sold now. But many people that do not have lots of money still use the old fat tv's that would get no benefit from blu-ray. Also factor in the added costs of a blu-ray versus dvd.

DD still has obstacles as well in the future such as with bandwidth and things related to the net neutrality act in the future