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huaxiong90 on 23 August 2010
Chrizum said:
CGI-Quality said:
Squilliam said:
CGI-Quality said:
Chrizum said:

And we didn't know that? Only hardcore 360 and PS3 fanboys think their games look amazing. Gears of War 2? Uncharted 2? Don't look that impressive at all. Killzone 2 could be done on PCs 4 years ago.

Of course, to elitist PC fans, console games won't look "impressive at all". I say that because not all PC fans behave that way. But on the flipside, those console games took dedication, talent, and horsepower. One man's rags is another man's riches.

Not so fast! A lot of those elitist fans are able to appeciate talent, artistry and excellent production values, more so that anyone who has ever uttered the words 'Powah of teh Cell' with any hint of seriousness. They only appear to be elitist because they have to shoot down many of the latter comments which doesn't give them any chance to espouse the true form excellence has taken in many of the console games, especially PS3 exclusives.

Doesn't nullify my point.

A. obviously, a console isn't anywhere near the power of a PC... B. console fans don't need to be reminded of this fact all the time. I, myself, am a former PC-only fan and can appreciate a current PC fan's outlook. I don't, however, find it OK to claim that console games "aren't impressive" because the PC has games that look better. That's the time when a big, fat "SO FUCKIN' WHAT" is applied. In fact, it can be applied when PS3 fans throw their exclusives in the faces of Wii/360 fans as well.

We actually agree with eachother. I'm hardly an elitist, I find people like Shio extremely annoying. But you have to admit most PS3 fanboys are arguing how extremely powerful the PS3 is and how Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2 are the best looking games in the world. When someone says he finds Super Mario Galaxy verry pretty (which it is), HD fanboys barge in and say Wii games per definition look worse than HD games.

My point is, PC is more powerful than whatever console. There should be no comparison between the two. There also shouldn't be a comparison to Wii and HD consoles, or Atari 2600 and N64. It's pointless. I think Limbo looks better than Crysis, but people saying "HD game X looks just as good as a PC game" should get some grip on reality.

The PS3 and 360 are not that powerful. Bashing them for lack of powerful is idiotic, just like bashing the Wii for lack of power is. However, the latter is accepted, while the former is seen as elitist, whereas both are moronic behavior.

Fixed. Any sensible human being would know when someone says SMG2 is pretty he's referring to the art style.



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Alby_da_Wolf on 23 August 2010

Nice also to know that while the original Crysis struggled even on some high-end PCs, Crysis 2 now goes well enough on mid-range ones.

Anyhow, just in case not enough people wrote it, consoles are d0m3d!!!   



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zgamer5 on 23 August 2010
CGI-Quality said:
Squilliam said:
CGI-Quality said:
Squilliam said:

A. Some people seem to forget that.

B. They do need to be reminded, all of the time. Almost all of the talk about console games seems to take a psudo technical angle when talking about visuals when what really needs to be praised is artistry and talent. Answer me this, who got more praise for Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2? Was it the PS3 or was it the teams whom made the game? I'll be surprised if you say the latter. It all depends on the context, if people use the wrong one then does it surprise you when they are corrected?

Doesn't matter who praised Uncharted 2 or Killzone 2, unless you have an inferiority complex. And if we get real technical, the industry itself hyped Uncharted 2's & Killzone 2's visuals as "the best on CONSOLES", right along with the 'fanboys' you seem so quick to call out. And saying: "PC games look better than console games" well no shit, who argued that they didn't? But in many graphics discussions, PC fans feel obligated to "trash the consoles", which can be down right annoying.

Regardless, no matter who's doing it, it remains an elitist way of thinking, which you seem to support.

Graceful sidestep. Let me remind you of what I said: "Answer me this, who got more praise for Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2? Was it the PS3 or was it the teams whom made the game?"

I'll answer that: both. Much of that is to distnguish the 360 and PS3 systems (since so many love to call them: identical), which they certainly aren't. In Crytek's case, it will be more praise going to them than the device(s) they are developing the game on. They'll develop the console versions as close as they can to each other, while taking advantage of the advanced power of the PC.

the reviewers praised the devs, the gamers praised the console. only people on this site praise the devs. go to random people on youtube and they will say the ps3 has better graphics, when its the devs who are better, yes cell is a very good technology but bad devs cant use it well. 

in the eyes of a pc gamer uncharted 2, god of war 3, and killzone 2 dont deserve praise. yet if they were on pc they would have said otherwise(they would look much better on pc). people should look at them and say that they do deserve praise because with the hardware the devs did a great job.

i havent seen any game with better character details then god of war 3, yes cell helped, but its mainly because of the devs.



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MrT-Tar on 23 August 2010

who didn't expect this?




Chrizum on 23 August 2010
CGI-Quality said:
zgamer5 said:
CGI-Quality said:
Squilliam said:
CGI-Quality said:
Squilliam said:

A. Some people seem to forget that.

B. They do need to be reminded, all of the time. Almost all of the talk about console games seems to take a psudo technical angle when talking about visuals when what really needs to be praised is artistry and talent. Answer me this, who got more praise for Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2? Was it the PS3 or was it the teams whom made the game? I'll be surprised if you say the latter. It all depends on the context, if people use the wrong one then does it surprise you when they are corrected?

Doesn't matter who praised Uncharted 2 or Killzone 2, unless you have an inferiority complex. And if we get real technical, the industry itself hyped Uncharted 2's & Killzone 2's visuals as "the best on CONSOLES", right along with the 'fanboys' you seem so quick to call out. And saying: "PC games look better than console games" well no shit, who argued that they didn't? But in many graphics discussions, PC fans feel obligated to "trash the consoles", which can be down right annoying.

Regardless, no matter who's doing it, it remains an elitist way of thinking, which you seem to support.

Graceful sidestep. Let me remind you of what I said: "Answer me this, who got more praise for Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2? Was it the PS3 or was it the teams whom made the game?"

I'll answer that: both. Much of that is to distnguish the 360 and PS3 systems (since so many love to call them: identical), which they certainly aren't. In Crytek's case, it will be more praise going to them than the device(s) they are developing the game on. They'll develop the console versions as close as they can to each other, while taking advantage of the advanced power of the PC.

the reviewers praised the devs, the gamers praised the console. only people on this site praise the devs. go to random people on youtube and they will say the ps3 has better graphics, when its the devs who are better, yes cell is a very good technology but bad devs cant use it well. 

in the eyes of a pc gamer uncharted 2, god of war 3, and killzone 2 dont deserve praise. yet if they were on pc they would have said otherwise(they would look much better on pc). people should look at them and say that they do deserve praise because with the hardware the devs did a great job.

i havent seen any game with better character details then god of war 3, yes cell helped, but its mainly because of the devs.

Bold A: Not completely true. Although we're speaking mainly about this site, reviewers and gamers alike praised both the hardware and the devs, especially in Uncharted 2's case.

Bold B: What that says is, it's a mixture of both. It's not "just"the dev or "just" the system.

Your second paragraph is complimentary to my original point.

Oh come on, you can't deny that tons of PS3 fans use Uncharted and Killzone to "prove" the PS3 is more powerful than the 360.



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zgamer5 on 23 August 2010
CGI-Quality said:
zgamer5 said:
CGI-Quality said:
Squilliam said:
CGI-Quality said:
Squilliam said:

A. Some people seem to forget that.

B. They do need to be reminded, all of the time. Almost all of the talk about console games seems to take a psudo technical angle when talking about visuals when what really needs to be praised is artistry and talent. Answer me this, who got more praise for Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2? Was it the PS3 or was it the teams whom made the game? I'll be surprised if you say the latter. It all depends on the context, if people use the wrong one then does it surprise you when they are corrected?

Doesn't matter who praised Uncharted 2 or Killzone 2, unless you have an inferiority complex. And if we get real technical, the industry itself hyped Uncharted 2's & Killzone 2's visuals as "the best on CONSOLES", right along with the 'fanboys' you seem so quick to call out. And saying: "PC games look better than console games" well no shit, who argued that they didn't? But in many graphics discussions, PC fans feel obligated to "trash the consoles", which can be down right annoying.

Regardless, no matter who's doing it, it remains an elitist way of thinking, which you seem to support.

Graceful sidestep. Let me remind you of what I said: "Answer me this, who got more praise for Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2? Was it the PS3 or was it the teams whom made the game?"

I'll answer that: both. Much of that is to distnguish the 360 and PS3 systems (since so many love to call them: identical), which they certainly aren't. In Crytek's case, it will be more praise going to them than the device(s) they are developing the game on. They'll develop the console versions as close as they can to each other, while taking advantage of the advanced power of the PC.

the reviewers praised the devs, the gamers praised the console. only people on this site praise the devs. go to random people on youtube and they will say the ps3 has better graphics, when its the devs who are better, yes cell is a very good technology but bad devs cant use it well. 

in the eyes of a pc gamer uncharted 2, god of war 3, and killzone 2 dont deserve praise. yet if they were on pc they would have said otherwise(they would look much better on pc). people should look at them and say that they do deserve praise because with the hardware the devs did a great job.

i havent seen any game with better character details then god of war 3, yes cell helped, but its mainly because of the devs.

Bold A: Not completely true. Although we're speaking mainly about this site, reviewers and gamers alike praised both the hardware and the devs, especially in Uncharted 2's case.

Bold B: What that says is, it's a mixture of both. It's not "just"the dev or "just" the system.

Your second paragraph is complimentary to my original point.


i mainly quoted to say bold A.

and as for bold B im saying that its mainly the devs and the hardware helps.  so lets say 80% devs 20% hardware. i know this is gong to be controversial, but i think that gow3 has the most detailed character models i have seen on any platform.

at bold A: yes on this site, people arent biased on this site. every day when i watch a youtube video in the comments below their are fanboys screaming "ps3 has better graphics because of uc2 and kz2". i think it has better graphics mainly because of the devs.



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Nirvana_Nut85 on 23 August 2010
darkknightkryta said:
axumblade said:
darkknightkryta said:

If that's true and the 360 version is looking spotty I can't imagine how bad the PS3 version is going to end up (Probably why they're not demoing it off.)

I don't think they normally demo all versions of a game at these conventions. Generally it's one system or the other.

Actually when Crytech first showed off Crysis they showed it running on all 3 platforms to show how they're identical and you can make one version and it'll cross compile for you.  I havn't heard anything of the PS3 version being shown off in a while, and now hearing the 360 version is lagging behind, I wouldn't be surprised if they are further behind on the PS3 version (Or could possibly ahead and they don't want people to realize it looks better than the 360 version... though unlikely)

Well if you watched the original demo's that they had for the environments of Crysis 2, the PS3 version actually looked alot better than the 360 version. Mind you that was just a demo.



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Alby_da_Wolf on 23 August 2010

 

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zgamer5 on 23 August 2010

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CGI-Quality said:
zgamer5 said:
CGI-Quality said:
zgamer5 said:
CGI-Quality said:
Squilliam said:
CGI-Quality said:
Squilliam said:

A. Some people seem to forget that.

B. They do need to be reminded, all of the time. Almost all of the talk about console games seems to take a psudo technical angle when talking about visuals when what really needs to be praised is artistry and talent. Answer me this, who got more praise for Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2? Was it the PS3 or was it the teams whom made the game? I'll be surprised if you say the latter. It all depends on the context, if people use the wrong one then does it surprise you when they are corrected?

Doesn't matter who praised Uncharted 2 or Killzone 2, unless you have an inferiority complex. And if we get real technical, the industry itself hyped Uncharted 2's & Killzone 2's visuals as "the best onCONSOLES", right along with the 'fanboys' you seem so quick to call out. And saying: "PC games look better than console games" well no shit, who argued that they didn't? But in many graphics discussions, PC fans feel obligated to "trash the consoles", which can be down right annoying.

Regardless, no matter who's doing it, it remains an elitist way of thinking, which you seem to support.

Graceful sidestep. Let me remind you of what I said: "Answer me this, who got more praise for Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2? Was it the PS3 or was it the teams whom made the game?"

I'll answer that: both. Much of that is to distnguish the 360 and PS3 systems (since so many love to call them: identical), which they certainly aren't. In Crytek's case, it will be more praise going to them than the device(s) they are developing the game on. They'll develop the console versions as close as they can to each other, while taking advantage of the advanced power of the PC.

the reviewers praised the devs, the gamers praised the console.only people on this site praise the devs. go to random people on youtube and they will say the ps3 has better graphics, when its the devs who are better, yes cell is a very good technology but bad devs cant use it well. 

in the eyes of a pc gamer uncharted 2, god of war 3, and killzone 2 dont deserve praise. yet if they were on pc they would have said otherwise(they would look much better on pc). people should look at them and say that they do deserve praise because with the hardware the devs did a great job.

i havent seen any game with better character details then god of war 3, yes cell helped, but its mainly because of the devs.

Bold A: Not completely true. Although we're speaking mainly about this site, reviewers and gamers alike praised both the hardware and the devs, especially in Uncharted 2's case.

Bold B: What that says is, it's a mixture of both. It's not "just"the dev or "just" the system.

Your second paragraph is complimentary to my original point.


i mainly quoted to say bold A.

and as for bold B im saying that its mainly the devs and the hardware helps.  so lets say 80% devs 20% hardware. i know this is gong to be controversial, but i think that gow3 has the most detailed character models i have seen on any platform.

at bold A: yes on this site, people arent biased on this site. every day when i watch a youtube video in the comments below their are fanboys screaming "ps3 has better graphics because of uc2 and kz2". i think it has better graphics mainly because of the devs.

not true at all. Everyone has a personal bias somewhere. It's all in how people choose to express it. There are plenty of fans of "x" platform that are fair enough to have a reasonable debate with.

And as to why a game has better graphics, a lot of "why" will be ignored, it'll just be. Those gamers, again, wouldn't have that ammo without the help of reviewers and journalists within the industry.


at BOLD A: true but not the extent of people on youtube or on ign and gamespot. most of the people here have a good knowledge about gaming. take selnor for example although he overhypes many games he recognizes a good game when he sees one although its not in his console of preferance. people here are more understanding, ofcourse you have the exceptions but out of all the gaming sites i ever went to this one seems to have the most intelligent and most well behaved gamers i ever saw.

at BOLD B:  again true, but it also happens if their is no ammo. people tend to think their preferences are facts.



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youarebadatgames on 23 August 2010
CGI-Quality said:

Paragraph 3: Depends on the context. Compared to an always changing platform like the PC, of course they aren't. Compared to the Wii or past consoles, they obviously are vastly more powerful. Again, anyone who boasts about "x" platform against a much weaker one in some sort of contest is an elitist, plain and simple. It's fine to accept/know/understand that one is more powerful. It's another thing to bring it up at every opportunity.

For the most part we agree, just a few points I wanted to elaborate further on.

Bringing it up at every opportunity puts overzealous console fans in their place, and it's fun.  If they want to gloat about graphics all the time (even though nobody buys a game primarily based on gfx unless it is overwhelmingly different/better, which the 360 and PS3 aren't), then they need to stop crying when they get bitch slapped occasionally for getting out of line.

What's the difference between a console fanboy and dog shit?

You don't go out of your way to step on dog shit, lol.