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arcelonious on 19 August 2010

I bought my 360 first, but had always planned to buy a PS3 as well.  However, I didn't buy it when it first came out because of the price (it just wasn't in my budget).  However, when Sony announced that they would not being making backwards compatible PS3s anymore, I went ahead and grabbed a 80gb PS3 Metal Gear Solid bundle. 



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cliffhanger on 19 August 2010
CGI-Quality said:

... If Sony plays their cards right, and enough pieces fall into place, the PlayStation 4 could be next gen's Super Nintendo.



huh? In what way?



tuscaniman on 19 August 2010
Zlejedi said:

1. If xbox 720 ever comes out it'll probably be just a little gray box  attached to kinect like camera interface receiving signal from microsoft game streaming servers. Looking at e3 and gamescon it's pretty obvious MS is giving up on hardcore gamers.

2. PS3 was mostly hurt by initial price which made cheaper x360 with "free" torrent games much more interesting choic for many.

Yeah you're right. MS has given up on hardcore gamers. Halo:Reach, Gears of War 3, Fable III, new exclusive Crytek game, Forza 4.



tuscaniman on 19 August 2010

Honestly I think Nintendo could win next gen easily. If Nintendo decided to release a console that could please the older core crowd like myself with a lineup like the 360 or PS3 has, but of course still include the Marios and Donkey Kongs that we love to play Nintendo would dominate. The hardware would need to be up to par with the other next gen consoles though. That is one of the main reasons I would never buy a Wii is because the hardware is obselete.

If Nintendo decides to play it cheap again and keep the hardware less powerful and more like this gen's HD consoles then I believe they will lose. The casual market will not move from the Wii to a new console as easily as a core market would. Therefore the gen would be up for grabs between Sony and MS.



Chairman-Mao on 19 August 2010

I agree with the OP, the PS4 would definitely get fu**ed if it doesn't release the PS4 along with the "720" and "Wii 2".

I know that hindsight is 20/20 but if the PS3 had somehow released the same time as the 360 (whether it be in 2005 or if the 360 was also released in 2006) it would be ahead of the 360 now easily and the PS3 would have a good portion of the sales that the 360 got in 2005 and 2006 so it would have a higher userbase.

 

I've been saying it for years now, if PS4 launches alongside (or ahead of) the Wii 2 and 720 at $299 or less with a good launch lineup then it will win next gen no problem.



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jarrod on 20 August 2010
cliffhanger said:
CGI-Quality said:

... If Sony plays their cards right, and enough pieces fall into place, the PlayStation 4 could be next gen's Super Nintendo.



huh? In what way?


PS2 was already Sony's SNES.  PS4 will probably be their GameCube. ;)



kain_kusanagi on 20 August 2010
Frank_kc said:

Ok, what other things a new console can do that a PS3 cant do now? I look at it from the other way around. The PS3 will be the cheaper and with huge games library and can do whatever other new consoles can do. I dont see any new technology which can make the new cosnole for Wii or X360 different than the PS3.

 

In the end, the PS3 can do everything :)


I actualy laughed out loud. Thanks for such a hilarious post.



jarrod on 20 August 2010
CGI-Quality said:
jarrod said:
cliffhanger said:
CGI-Quality said:

... If Sony plays their cards right, and enough pieces fall into place, the PlayStation 4 could be next gen's Super Nintendo.



huh? In what way?


PS2 was already Sony's SNES.  PS4 will probably be their GameCube. ;)

Guess I'll explain since you're the second person who misunderstood. Binary solo said they could launch mid gen (like the SNES did - 3 years into the 16-bit gen). I elaborated further on how that scenario could work for the PS4, particularly if Sony wants to prolong the life of the PS3 without a successor (something they haven't had to do in the past), to try to make back much of what was lost. A lot of that will also depend on the consumer. If they play that scenario, it could work in their favor, depending on the workings at Nintendo and Microsoft as well. It's a no-brainer that that's all speculation, but it isn't an impossibility.

And the PS2 wasn't the SNES of the last gen in that regard.

As for your Gamecube reference, what brings you to that conclusion? If we go by your previous reference, the PS3 is the "Gamecube" of the current gen.

PS3 is their N64.  ;)  Also, I was making a joke.

The problem with a waiting game on Sony's part, is that they're not exactly starting the next cycle from a position of strength.  Despite the "$599" blunder, PS3 had a lot of defacto advantages going in, thanks to being the overwhelmingly dominant market leader the previous cycle.  Just imagine if PS3 had launched after a console more like itself rather than a console like the PS2... how much support you think they'd have garnered upfront, from developers, from publishers, from retail, from the media?  This is chiefly why I think the SNES comparison falls flat, SNES was the assumed market leader well before it launched, since it was following up the market defining NES.  PS4 can't really say the same, after PS3 being something of a financial, marketshare and mindshare disaster for the PlayStation line.

This is also something that's going to haunt PSP2 upfront imo.  Sony's going to have much harder road to travel into next gen, there's not going to be as much naturally occurring support or assumed marketplace by the industry... Sony's going to have to work harder at every step, make no mistakes and really prove things out.  



jarrod on 20 August 2010
CGI-Quality said:
jarrod said:
CGI-Quality said:
jarrod said:
cliffhanger said:
CGI-Quality said:

... If Sony plays their cards right, and enough pieces fall into place, the PlayStation 4 could be next gen's Super Nintendo.



huh? In what way?


PS2 was already Sony's SNES.  PS4 will probably be their GameCube. ;)

Guess I'll explain since you're the second person who misunderstood. Binary solo said they could launch mid gen (like the SNES did - 3 years into the 16-bit gen). I elaborated further on how that scenario could work for the PS4, particularly if Sony wants to prolong the life of the PS3 without a successor (something they haven't had to do in the past), to try to make back much of what was lost. A lot of that will also depend on the consumer. If they play that scenario, it could work in their favor, depending on the workings at Nintendo and Microsoft as well. It's a no-brainer that that's all speculation, but it isn't an impossibility.

And the PS2 wasn't the SNES of the last gen in that regard.

As for your Gamecube reference, what brings you to that conclusion? If we go by your previous reference, the PS3 is the "Gamecube" of the current gen.

PS3 is their N64.  ;)  Also, I was making a joke.

The problem with a waiting game on Sony's part, is that they're not exactly starting the next cycle from a position of strength.  Despite the "$599" blunder, PS3 had a lot of defacto advantages going in, thanks to being the overwhelmingly dominant market leader the previous cycle.  Just imagine if PS3 had launched after a console more like itself rather than a console like the PS2... how much support you think they'd have garnered upfront, from developers, from publishers, from retail, from the media?  This is chiefly why I think the SNES comparison falls flat, SNES was the assumed market leader well before it launched, since it was following up the market defining NES.  PS4 can't really say the same, after PS3 being something of a financial, marketshare and mindshare disaster for the PlayStation line.

This is also something that's going to haunt PSP2 upfront imo.  Sony's going to have much harder road to travel into next gen, there's not going to be as much naturally occurring support or assumed marketplace by the industry... Sony's going to have to work harder at every step, make no mistakes and really prove things out.  

The bolded is significant, I'm with that. But it also fits nicely into my piece of speculation; if they play their cards right, they could be back on top next gen. They will have a hard road to hoe though.

I guess what I'm saying is, in keeping with the cards analogy, Sony's hand kind of sucks, and they'll need to play a spectacular game to pull off a win.  I'm not sure if they can do it, and I think it'd also take combination of Sony doing about everything right, and the competition doing almost everything wrong... it's not an impossible feat, that's basically what happened with PS1, but it's not exactly a likely scenario either. 'Longshot' is the word that comes to mind...



Xero on 20 August 2010

Thanks for responses guys. I'm grateful for the mature responses which you don't see out of most communities.