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These minor changes do not prove that there is more changing in Pokemon than GTA, like I said minor changes and mini games were added between PS2 GTAs too.

There are four generations of Pokemon games- Red/Blue (GB, 1998), Gold/Silver (GBC, 2000), Ruby/Saphire (GBA, 2003) and Diamond/Pearl (DS, 2007). Those and 3 remakes, makes it 7 games.

Platform changes are also key for games changing, so don't say it's fair. Pokemon could not have gone 3D (barely) and online before the DS, could not have been in color before the GBC, so platform changes caused the three actually big changes in the series. Comparing that to 2 games on the same platform is definitely wrong.

So you have pounted out that multiple minor things have changed over 7 games but it still doesn't actually convince that Pokemon actually changes more than GTA. In fact the minor changes in GTA are arguably bigger than those across all Pokemon games ever made, besides the obviously completely different stories in each GTA and the main character...



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Is it bad that I haven't even heard of some of the top games on their list?



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changes from being a silent representative of you (GTA III, VC) to being his own character (SA) both of which are huge differences. Can you imagine Link having his own personality rather than just representing the player? That would be a huge change in the franchise I'm sure you'd agree.



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mike_intellivision said:
As much as people like to talk about the Pro-Wii bias on this site, it was apparent that the pro-blow 'em up/shoot 'em up, anti-Wii bias in this list.

Only three Wii games. Did not indicate Spore was for Wii.
Did not include Dragon Quest (which it was trumping adding screen shots for).

Also, we should keep the list and see how many games actually see the light of day this year.

Mike from Morgantown.

So because it didn't have the games you wanted, it's biased? It's not GS' fault that so many of the biggest games are shooters or that the Wii isn't getting the majority of these big titles. If anything complain about game companies, not the list. They also did not indicate that Spore was on the DS , maybe it's because these are different versions and their anticipated game is the PC one?

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ClaudeLv250 said:
Is it bad that I haven't even heard of some of the top games on their list?

Most games get sporadic coverage, so no.

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Wow. That was incredibly biased against Nintendo. Only 3 titles?

 



ckmlb said:
These minor changes do not prove that there is more changing in Pokemon than GTA, like I said minor changes and mini games were added between PS2 GTAs too.

There are four generations of Pokemon games- Red/Blue (GB, 1998), Gold/Silver (GBC, 2000), Ruby/Saphire (GBA, 2003) and Diamond/Pearl (DS, 2007). Those and 3 remakes, makes it 7 games.

Platform changes are also key for games changing, so don't say it's fair. Pokemon could not have gone 3D (barely) and online before the DS, could not have been in color before the GBC, so platform changes caused the three actually big changes in the series. Comparing that to 2 games on the same platform is definitely wrong.

So you have pounted out that multiple minor things have changed over 7 games but it still doesn't actually convince that Pokemon actually changes more than GTA. In fact the minor changes in GTA are arguably bigger than those across all Pokemon games ever made, besides the obviously completely different stories in each GTA and the main character...

3 games of changes.  You can't count the first game as changes, and you can't count the remakes (Crystal and Emerald) as major games in the series.  So 3 games versus 2, although I concede the point that since each major change is a generation of handheld gaming, more changes are expected.  So, I will admit that it is not a fair comparison, but you are the one who started the comparison, not me. 

I don't think you, as someone who never played online tournaments in Pokemon (which was possible before DP actually, but not going to go into that), understand the scope of the changes or the effects of the changes on the strategy of the game.  There isn't a way for me to convince you about how much things like IVs and EVs and move specific physical and special attacks change the gameplay because your only experience is with the single player, which is so simple a toddler could beat it.  

Also, Link does have a personality.  He absolutely developed a personality in the 3D iterations.  He doesn't have to talk to show emotion.  This is getting very off topic though, back to the original subject.

From my perspective, as someone who played both games and played tournaments in Pokemon, Pokemon definitely had larger changes of the two franchise.  Pokemon's online metagame strategy was completely turned upside down in DP and all strategies had to be redone.  However, I am realizing now that it's unrealistic for me to expect you (or many people at all for that matter) to realize the effects of those changes.  

So, what I'm saying is, from your perspective (that of someone who only plays the single player) not much has changed, and it's probably fair to say that from your perspective, GTA has had more major gameplay differences, whereas for someone like me who plays Pokemon online, it's changed a lot.  

Is that a reasonable solution ckmlb?



ckmlb said:
Smash_Brother said:
GTA "sandbox" games and their ilk have seen their heyday.

How many more times can I shoot up the same warehouse/crackhouse, gun down the same thugs, run over the same hookers, blow up the same structures, etc. before the deja vu becomes intolerable?

How many times can you fight Bowser? How many times can you drive in a circle in Mario Kart? How many times can you fight Ganondorf? How many times can you collect the same Pokemon and fight other Pokemon? How many times can you use a gravity gun to throw objects at enemies? I could go on forever but this can obviously apply to all sequels and/or games of the same genre...

Thank you.  Good lord.

I know some of you don't like FPS games, but they can really be very diverse. 



About the list: I agree SSBB should be higher, but just take the list as an out-of-order thing because everyone has a different opinion.

But come on, RE5 is only #48 and everyone on this forum slurps RE4 it seems (including me), whether it be the GC, PS2, or Wii version. It's one of the best games ever (by review scores), and yet RE5 is only #48.

Anyway, it's a list of a lot of highly anticipated games, so it should be another fun year.

 

Edit:  GT5 is only number 31!  All those games sell more than Mario and Halo games.  They are up there with GTA sales.  Complaining about Brawl isn't needed after seeing that. 



Wheres the DS games? And I know there are more Wii games that can be on that list. Seriously if Indiana Jones is on that list instead of No More Heroes, somethign has to be wrong.



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