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richardhutnik said:
TauKappaNASA said:

This thread is ridiculous....Sour grapes written all over it. Get to where I'm I'm at today without a degree. Good luck....Am I'm not being arrogant. I'm doing what I have dreamed since I was a kid and I'm just saying there is no way I'd be here right now if I didn't go to college (a cheap state school for the record).

How about people find a way to get degrees without any debt?  If a college degree is such a lock for employment, would banks lend college graduates money to relocate right after graduating the way they give out student loans?

By the way, you can find more on how college can be a waste of time here:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=125157977519656

A facebook group with 6 members is your evidence of the dimished value of a college degree? You can't be serious.

It's true that a college degree is not a guarantee of economic success, but that's dependant on one's effort and inherent skills. What is true is that with the exception of certain industries, functions, and entrepreneurs with great ideas and execution, a college degree is necessary for most high skilled, long-term careers. I certainly would not have aquired my previous lucrative position at a large global media firm without my college career and would not be currently attending a top global business school which combined with hard work, will certainly result in an even higher level of success.

In addition, there are intangible benefits to a college education that can't really be aquired elsewhere. The caliber of different minds and experiences you encounter in college are invaluable. College is more than just books and lectures. It's an unforgetable, fully rewarding, and wholistic experience that everyone with a will and means should strive to take advantage of.

College may not be for everyone but for those who are willing to take advantage of all aspects of it, college is a lifelong rewarding experience.



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mike_intellivision said:

College degrees used to be a guarantee of success.

Now, the lack of one is almost always a guarantee of no success.

I posted examples, including my own, how college can not only not help, but hurt.  Now, let me give examples of my two younger brothers, to show how right from high school to college is not.  One has no college at all.   He worked as an auto mechanic, then got a union job as a lineman and worked his way up the ranks, and is doing well for himself.  My other brother didn't do college but landed in the marines, until he retired.  He added college later and managed to land a security clearance needed job in the private sector.

And if what I write is sour grapes, so be it.  I don't have issue with the content of college or even my grades (GPA above 3.5 for my BS and MS degrees).  What I do have issue with is how useless it is as something positive to land a job.  I wish people turn off their aytopilot mentality that all that  debt in loans will get paid off, because jobs are guaranteed.  Folks, not in a long shot is it.  Also college is just ONE of numerous ways to establish a career.

For myself, I also got associates degree earned at a community college. Parents paid for it, so no debt.  I probably should of stopped there.  I DEFINITELY say to do community college first and get used to college that way.  AND... kept the debt load down as much as possible.



joesampson said:
richardhutnik said:

By the way, you can find more on how college can be a waste of time here:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=125157977519656

A facebook group with 6 members is your evidence of the dimished value of a college degree? You can't be serious.

It's true that a college degree is not a guarantee of economic success, but that's dependant on one's effort and inherent skills. What is true is that with the exception of certain industries, functions, and entrepreneurs with great ideas and execution, a college degree is necessary for most high skilled, long-term careers. I certainly would not have aquired my previous lucrative position at a large global media firm without my college career and would not be currently attending a top global business school which combined with hard work, will certainly result in an even higher level of success.

In addition, there are intangible benefits to a college education that can't really be aquired elsewhere. The caliber of different minds and experiences you encounter in college are invaluable. College is more than just books and lectures. It's an unforgetable, fully rewarding, and wholistic experience that everyone with a will and means should strive to take advantage of.

College may not be for everyone but for those who are willing to take advantage of all aspe college weercts of it, college is a lifelong rewarding experience.

I posted the link to the videos on there.

As far as the "intangibles" I give you Penn and Teller's TV show on college (this is part 1 of 3):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_m0uhToV94

The BIG point has to do with costs vs reward.  If college were free, sure, go for it.  But, if you left with debt in the 5 and 6 figure range, is it worth it then?  You can't escape this debt either.  They will even garnish social security payments to pay it back.



KylieDog said:

I went to college and did A-levels.  Turned out to be a waste of time since they are only good for looking good on University applications and I wasn't ever going to afford that.

 

I instead stayed at college part time and qualified as an electrician with zero debt.  Was employed full time ever since until just before last christmas.

This is a cultural divide I became aware of only after moving to Canada

In the US, "college" and "university" are essentially the same - what Brits and Canadians call "college" is called "trade school" or "community college" in the States



KylieDog said:

I went to college and did A-levels.  Turned out to be a waste of time since they are only good for looking good on University applications and I wasn't ever going to afford that.

 

I instead stayed at college part time and qualified as an electrician with zero debt.  Was employed full time ever since until just before last christmas.

Marketable skills and no debt is to be valued.



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Good points. I think I'll cancel my plans to go to University next year.



Chairman-Mao said:

Good points. I think I'll cancel my plans to go to University next year.


Were you going to borrow 100% and jump in with liberal arts and no idea what to go  for?



twesterm said:
numonex said:

I was too lazy for College.  Accounting was my major and I hated it. It felt like banging your head against a brick wall. Economics, finance and other business majors just as boring. The heart has to be in it and you have to work hard at time management. Procrastination and leaving things to the last minute is my motto. Skipping lectures, downloading lecture notes and only attending tutorials.  Cramming was my only way of passing mid semesters and exams. 


With every post it becomes clearer and clearer why you think college is a waste of time.

  • You didn't do you research before picking your college-- check.
  • You didn't have passion for your major-- check.
  • You didn't attend class-- check.
  • You did everything last minute-- check.
  • You crammed for every test-- check.

It doesn't take a college degree to realize that's a massive recipe for failure.  Did you even ever attend any resume workshops or career fairs?

For all those people that have degrees but can't find a job-- how hard did you try?

  • Did you have a generic resume and cover letter?
  • Did you have a resume and cover letter tailored to every specific interview?
  • Did you research every company you applied to?
  • Do you send a follow-up letter or make a thank you call?
  • Did you proof read your resume and cover letter?
  • Did you attend resume workshops?

Trying to find a real job should feel like a full time job because it's a lot of work.  You have to rework your resume and cover countless times, manage contacts, and constantly follow up with every person that interviewed you.  When you're not researching a company or reworking your cover letter resume, you should be reading on how to make your cover letter and resume better.

I know I'm putting a lot of emphasis on the cover letter and resume here and that's because those could not be more important.  It's amazing how many bad resumes I see and I don't even see them that often.  They're so often poorly organized, too wordy, too long (I've seen a seven page resume for an entry level position before!), people that don't even bother with cover letters, typos, and more.

I'm sorry to rant, but if you're applying and your resume isn't absolutely perfect you shouldn't even bother applying.  If you can't be bothered to spell check your resume and make sure it has consistent formatting, why should a potential employer be bothered to interview you (I know one guy the moment he sees a type or non-consistent formatting he simply throws the resume away)?  There's no reasons what-so-ever for your resume to not be perfect.

I would be willing to be that if most of the people complaining having a degree and no job spent a few weeks working on their resumes and cover letters while attending resume workshops they could find a job.

A couple of thoughts on this ...

At my current job there are a couple of (secret) hall of shame resumes where the person who did the hiring blacked out the names and contact info with marker. My favourite of these resumes had a section on "videogames completed" and also listed that he was a level 56 shaman in World of Warcraft. While this kind of information might be acceptable inside a company on the wiki under your personal profile every employer who reads it is immediately going to discount you. On a (somewhat) related note, having information about your hobbies on a resume may not be that bad; but unless it is relevant to the position or makes you look good (“I’m a triathlete who runs to support blind aids orphans in Africa”) they should probably be left off the resume.

The second thing is that most people ignore the importance of networking. In most (reasonably) healthy markets, simply asking a dozen people you know if they had any job openings at their company increases your odds of getting a job dramatically; and even new grads who “know nobody” probably know more people through their friends and family that are in a relevant industry then they would ever suspect. Many people would be surprised how many managers were willing to hire a new grad with a less than impressive resume simply because he was "Joshua’s cousin’s friend from college"



^Jups,  I helped a few friends getting a job just because they were friends with me :);



 

Khuutra said:
KylieDog said:

I went to college and did A-levels.  Turned out to be a waste of time since they are only good for looking good on University applications and I wasn't ever going to afford that.

 

I instead stayed at college part time and qualified as an electrician with zero debt.  Was employed full time ever since until just before last christmas.

This is a cultural divide I became aware of only after moving to Canada

In the US, "college" and "university" are essentially the same - what Brits and Canadians call "college" is called "trade school" or "community college" in the States

 

College in Canada is more hands on than University.  University is a lot more about the theory.

I've had friends graduate from both types of post-secondary, and the ones that graduated from college found jobs easier than the ones who graduated from university (at least going from my limited viewpoint and based on what I took).

Unless you went to University of Waterloo and had Bill Gates come in and hire your entire graduating class :P



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