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Pyro as Bill said:

I've played the Wii version of EDF and it's arcadey, it's not an arcade game though. It still requires levelling up and building characters (kind of assuming).

I know they are there. But why are they downloadables and not the holiday blockbuster outside of shooters?

PS3/360 has the shooter without a doubt, possibly killing it because that's all it seems to have. Could a 2d platformer not sell 20M on PS3/360?

You're wrong about Earth Defense Force and you're wrong about Halo and CoD and you're wrong about 2-D platformers on the HD consoles.

1. EDF is an arcade game, regardless of what the blade game on the Wii is.

2. Halo and Call of Duty are PC games built on PC traditions (Marathon and CoD) in an effort to bring PC games to the console market. It's working.

3. The 2-D platforming audience is on the Wii. They're not going to be on a system where the games don't exist.

That's all.



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I'm taking a dump on downloadables because everything is available as a download.



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Pyro as Bill said:
Euphoria14 said:
Pyro as Bill said:
Euphoria14 said:

Go ahead and list me some "Arcade" big budget titles on the Wii. I am sure I will find you something comparable.


Big budget development or big budget advertising?


So it has to have millions pumped into advertising to count too?

You're trying to make the answer an impossible one with all these restrictions.

Wii Sports, Wii Sports Resort, Wii Fit, NSMB Wii, Mario Kart Wii, Brawl.


First off according to your rules Brawl doesn't count and Wii Fit is an "Arcade styled" game? If so, then I can work with that. O_o

 

As for the rest you have Mod Nation Racers, LittleBigPlanet, LittleBigPlanet 2, Sports Champions, Start The Party, Blur, Split/Second, EA Active, Your Shape, Ridge Racer, Dance Dance Revolution, Dance Central, Kinect Adventures, Kinect Sports, Buzz, Scene It, DeathSmiles, SingStar, Lips, You're in the Movies.

I can keep going and all of these are retail titles, not downloadable and/or fighters and shooters, plus many of these are games that cost millions to make and many that have big advertising budgets.

 

If you look you will find them, plus the list grows to ridiculous amounts when I add Shooters, Fighters and XBLA/PSN titles like Castle Crashers, Joe Danger, Pain, Scott Pilgrim, Hasbro Game Night, etc...

Plenty of pick up and play styled games.

Half of the titles I mentioned are just like the ones you mentioned and the others are your usual menu when you visit an actual "Arcade", minus the tons and tons of shooter and fighter styled games.



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Khuutra said:
Pyro as Bill said:

I've played the Wii version of EDF and it's arcadey, it's not an arcade game though. It still requires levelling up and building characters (kind of assuming).

I know they are there. But why are they downloadables and not the holiday blockbuster outside of shooters?

PS3/360 has the shooter without a doubt, possibly killing it because that's all it seems to have. Could a 2d platformer not sell 20M on PS3/360?

You're wrong about Earth Defense Force and you're wrong about Halo and CoD and you're wrong about 2-D platformers on the HD consoles.

1. EDF is an arcade game, regardless of what the blade game on the Wii is.

2. Halo and Call of Duty are PC games built on PC traditions (Marathon and CoD) in an effort to bring PC games to the console market. It's working.

3. The 2-D platforming audience is on the Wii. They're not going to be on a system where the games don't exist.

That's all.

Halo and Cod are built on arcade game tradition not computer tradition. Did FPS on computers even exist before the mouse became popular?

So as of last November 2d fans all bought a Wii? No 5-20M audience for 2d platformers on 360/PS3? Impossible task?



Nov 2016 - NES outsells PS1 (JP)

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Pyro as Bill said:
Khuutra said:

You're wrong about Earth Defense Force and you're wrong about Halo and CoD and you're wrong about 2-D platformers on the HD consoles.

1. EDF is an arcade game, regardless of what the blade game on the Wii is.

2. Halo and Call of Duty are PC games built on PC traditions (Marathon and CoD) in an effort to bring PC games to the console market. It's working.

3. The 2-D platforming audience is on the Wii. They're not going to be on a system where the games don't exist.

That's all.

Halo and Cod are built or arcade game tradition not computer tradition. Did FPS on computers even exist before the mouse became popular?

So as of last November 2d fans all bought a Wii? No 5-20M audience for 2d platformers on 360/PS3? Impossible task?

What in the shit?

YES.

Some would argue that the greatest shooters of all time could be played with nothing but your keyboard - the eponymous example is probably DooM. Marathon was a PC shooter series. First person shooters are a PC tradition, nont an arcade tradition. Perspective limits accessibility and the tech for good FPSes was never standardized in arcades. It's a PC tradition.

Yes, selling a 2D platformer on the 360/PS3 with numbers comparable to NSMBWii is impossible. Just like selling a shooter on the Wii with numbers comparable to Halo is impossible. The audiences are too split.



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You aren't seriously trying to suggest that before Doom shooters were more popular on computers than in the arcades are you?



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Pyro as Bill said:

You aren't seriously trying to suggest that before Doom shooters were more popular on computers than in the arcades are you?

Equating first-person shooters with sidescrolling shooters is fallacious and ignores mechanical differences between the genre, which are the only differences that matter.



Are you really saying that the on-rails shooters you find in an Arcade are the same as an FPS like CoD, Doom or Halo? O_o

I don't remember anything at the arcades as a child before I discovered Doom on the PC.



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Khuutra said:
Pyro as Bill said:

You aren't seriously trying to suggest that before Doom shooters were more popular on computers than in the arcades are you?

Equating first-person shooters with sidescrolling shooters is fallacious and ignores mechanical differences between the genre, which are the only differences that matter.


I wasn't trying to do that.

I'm talking aiming at a screen and pulling a trigger. Duck Hunt, Time Crisis.



Nov 2016 - NES outsells PS1 (JP)

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Pyro as Bill said:
Khuutra said:
Pyro as Bill said:

You aren't seriously trying to suggest that before Doom shooters were more popular on computers than in the arcades are you?

Equating first-person shooters with sidescrolling shooters is fallacious and ignores mechanical differences between the genre, which are the only differences that matter.


I wasn't trying to do that.

I'm talking aiming at a screen and pulling a trigger. Duck Hunt, Time Crisis.

But those are static shooters. Doom was one of the first (if not the first?) to allow you to move freely. That was huge.

And Time Crisis came out after Doom.