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theprof00 said:

Also, given the fact that truck's argument was supported by both dtewi and scifiboy is problematic.

We have plenty to lose if nikells role-calls. If two townies become big targets and the mafia has the ability to kill 2 people at night, one murder/one hit, we will lose at least one important person.

But they will have to wait. Read above.

I never heard of a mafia vigilante. If they did have one, that would be incredibly unfair.



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

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dtewi said:
theprof00 said:

This I'm going to say once and only once, and it's going to be long, so don't respond til you read everything.

Nikells is making a very strong argument and I'm very tempted to unvote.

Here is why.

It is becoming less and less likely that we will get the SK. We might end up killing him instead.

When hat divulged the guide message, and subsequently his outrage at skipping over another name, I thought it was too simple that he could have made the error. So, instead, I believe he got a different hint, one that would definitely limit the possibilities to ONLY 2 people.

The hint would have been something like the SKs name begins with N. In that respect, he could overlap the two. He is actually searching for someone whose name begins with N, while we are focused on truck heph and nikells, his list is atually something like nikells, noname, and nen-suer. In this respect, he can still eliminate one of the possible people while at the same time giving mafia a red herring of people to kill. While he's trying to cure, say, nen-suer, the mafia will target hephestos. 

However, names beginning with N have 3 people, so that might not be it. After a thorough examination of possible name connections Nikells has with others, I have concluded that there is no possible 2-person list unless he was given the exact names. 

So, to that end, my best possible course of action is to lynch someone else that we find suspicious and let hat try and turn them one by one without letting us know which one he is going to be targeting next. We cannot ask him who he is going to target, otherwise it will jeopradize his operation.

At the very most, Hat will be lynched in two days. And at the very least we will be able to protect possible strong players from getting lynched.

Right now, my biggest concern is truckosaurus and here's why:
Kantor was killed by a hit because of the information he editted out of his post "a rather complicated role". The mafia, knowing that he wasn't on their team made him a target, and was killed by a hitman or night mafia vigilane of some kind. Then, Khuutra told truck to simmer down because the day hadn't started yet (though it actually had) and truck obeyed unnerringly. Yet, like nen-suer pointed out, both of them missed the fact that the day had started. For this reason, I feel like Khuutra and truck were in league but additionally, it was because like nen-suer later said, scum tend to "fast-foward" through the posts because they aren't concerned with "looking for clues" as much as others, and only focus on moral triggers like editting.

This doesn't clear nen-suer of course. Nen-suer's quote read "how could both you and khuutra miss that, FoS on both of you". This could have been an indirect way of telling his teammates to pay more attention. So he is still not beyond suspicion.

However, given the nature of the situation we face with the 3 targets ending in S, I believe truck has much more reason for being a scum. The SK is going to die or be turned either way. I say we take out the most obvious candidate.

Hmmm... for the first like six paragraphs, it's much simpler to just think that hatmoza made a mistake.

Look, much of what you said about Truck could be coincidental. For example, I hadn't realized day started either. 

Truck doesn't garner as much suspicion as Nikells though.


nikells didn't do anything wrong, which is why you are a prime suspect too.

The only thing nikells did was get listed as a possible target by hat.

Yes it is simpler that hat could have just made a mistake, but the opportunity was there. An opportunity that should have been taken.

And you are aware that you just compared yourself to scum right? "I hadn't realized day started either. That sounds like you are roleclaiming townie. Just more reason to believe you're scum. 



@theprof00: Khuutra skipped over the first post. I didn't. GodofWar's post about people having yet to post confused me about the state of the game and when Khuutra told me to back off, I assumed GodofWar's post really meant that the day would be officially started when everyone had posted.



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@prof

Ok you went from awesome princess story to "wtf are you talking about."The hint was that Kratos' username ended with an S. I messed up and failed to realize that Nikells name ended with an S. It was indeed an epic fail on my part. But you are just coming up with some crazy cross, guide hints that never existed O_O

I do agree with nen being suspicious. He is acting like a classic scum but I don't want to bother with yet another case to explain in one day.



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

dtewi said:
theprof00 said:

Also, given the fact that truck's argument was supported by both dtewi and scifiboy is problematic.

We have plenty to lose if nikells role-calls. If two townies become big targets and the mafia has the ability to kill 2 people at night, one murder/one hit, we will lose at least one important person.

But they will have to wait. Read above.

I never heard of a mafia vigilante. If they did have one, that would be incredibly unfair.

Oh, would it be so unfair? We had a daytime vigilante. And something protected our townie and killed khuutra. We have 3 ways to kill, giving mafia a night-time vigilante would only even it out. I do believe your reaching.



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theprof00 said:


nikells didn't do anything wrong, which is why you are a prime suspect too.

The only thing nikells did was get listed as a possible target by hat.

Yes it is simpler that hat could have just made a mistake, but the opportunity was there. An opportunity that should have been taken.

And you are aware that you just compared yourself to scum right? "I hadn't realized day started either. That sounds like you are roleclaiming townie. Just more reason to believe you're scum. 

The reason I'm voting for Nikells is because he didn't even try to defend himself from the scum accusation. He just said "It's a mistake!". In the games I've played, that's almost always a sure sign of being scum.

More reason to believe I'm scum? I said that because anyone can make that mistake. That mistake does not necessarily align a person to either town or scum. You should understand that.



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

hatmoza said:

@prof

Ok you went from awesome princess story to "wtf are you talking about."The hint was that Kratos' username ended with an S. I messed up and failed to realize that Nikells name ended with an S. It was indeed an epic fail on my part. But you are just coming up with some crazy cross, guide hints that never existed O_O

I do agree with nen being suspicious. He is acting like a classic scum but I don't want to bother with yet another case to explain in one day.

Whether it's true or not, this is the post I would expect you to answer with. The honest truth is that nikells hasn't done anything wrong except what you consider to be a stereotypical reaction.

He could be a very important person. For example, a sibling. Or, he could be an inventor or something. I'm not willing to risk sacrificing him. You guys can get all the votes you need, but I'm not voting for nikells. I may be an idiot, but I don't feel he warrants a lynch.



completely off topic.

Prof has the potential of being a very very good player. He just needs to pass this newbiness stage and get a better feel for how the game works.

I look forward to that day.



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

theprof00 said:
dtewi said:
theprof00 said:

Also, given the fact that truck's argument was supported by both dtewi and scifiboy is problematic.

We have plenty to lose if nikells role-calls. If two townies become big targets and the mafia has the ability to kill 2 people at night, one murder/one hit, we will lose at least one important person.

But they will have to wait. Read above.

I never heard of a mafia vigilante. If they did have one, that would be incredibly unfair.

Oh, would it be so unfair? We had a daytime vigilante. And something protected our townie and killed khuutra. We have 3 ways to kill, giving mafia a night-time vigilante would only even it out. I do believe your reaching.

Reaching?

I never, ever heard of a mafia vigilante role. Giving the mafia two kills per night is in fact unfair. We get 3 kills, but we can make mistakes and kill townies. The mafia would always hit town since they know who they are.



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

dtewi said:
theprof00 said:


nikells didn't do anything wrong, which is why you are a prime suspect too.

The only thing nikells did was get listed as a possible target by hat.

Yes it is simpler that hat could have just made a mistake, but the opportunity was there. An opportunity that should have been taken.

And you are aware that you just compared yourself to scum right? "I hadn't realized day started either. That sounds like you are roleclaiming townie. Just more reason to believe you're scum. 

The reason I'm voting for Nikells is because he didn't even try to defend himself from the scum accusation. He just said "It's a mistake!". In the games I've played, that's almost always a sure sign of being scum.

More reason to believe I'm scum? I said that because anyone can make that mistake. That mistake does not necessarily align a person to either town or scum. You should understand that.

I already explained why he shouldn't have to explain himself. Also, he's gone right now. I find it incredibly suspicious that all of a sudden we are trying to rally votes to lynch him in his abscence.

unvote nikells