HappySqurriel said:
fastyxx said:
Think about countries where government is NOT involved in utilities and water. Add to that the ego-centric, wealth accumulation-at-all-costs mentality of a good chunk of our country, and then I will invite you to go live in this new place HappySquirrel. So if a kid is born of a drug-addicted set of parents or a single teenager who made a mistake, we just say "Oops. Oh well. Social Darwinism. Sooner you die penniless on the street, the more stream-lined our economic numbers will look."
And by what magical standard are you selecting out of the air that infrastructure law enforcement military education health care = 20% of GDP?
Which countries in the world fall into that category? The ones that have a canoe and a slingshot for their military?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_privatization
Fredrik Segerfeldt, the author of the book Water for sale, wrote in FT that 97 % "of water distribution in poor countries is managed by the public sector, which is largely responsible for more than a billion people being without water. - - In poor countries with private investments in the water sector, more people have access to water than in those without such investments. Moreover, there are many examples of local businesses improving water distribution. Superior competence, better incentives and better access to capital for investment have allowed private distributors to enhance both the quality of the water and the scope of its distribution. Millions of people who lacked water mains within reach are now getting clean and safe water delivered within a convenient distance."[2]
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In Chile, along water privatization, the access to piped drinking water in rose from 27 % of the population in the 1970s to 99 % in 2005.[4] In Guinea, "the number of urban-dwellers with access to clean water tripled from two in ten, to seven in ten by 2001."[4] In some cases the incompetent governmental supervision has caused problems, but in "Chile and Argentina, in Cambodia and the Philippines, in Guinea and Gabon" water privatization "has already saved many lives".[2]
What a disaster, poor people actually having access to clean drinking water in poor countries. DAM YOU RICH BASTARDS!!!
On top of that every time you use your telephone, watch cable television, surf the Internet, heat your home, or use electricity do you find it prohibitively expensive? Because through most of the world those services, and their infastructure, are privately controlled and/or maintained.
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That was nice of you to pick and choose what parts of that article you wanted us to see for us.
England:
The impact of private sector participation can vary substantially from one case to the other. In the case of water privatization in England, tariffs increased by 46% in real terms during the first nine years and operating profits have more than doubled ( 142%) in eight years. On the other hand, privatization increased investments (in the six years after privatization the companies invested £17 billion, compared to £9.3 billion in the six years before privatization) and brought about compliance with stringent drinking water standards and led to a higher quality of river water.[5] However, it has been also argued that privatisation has led to both a decline in quality and supply with much of the infrastructure being left to decay
Bolivia
When Bolivia sought to refinance the public water service of its third largest city, the World Bank required that it be privatized. Which is how the Bechtel Corporation of San Francisco, (California, U.S.A.,) gained control over all of Cochabamba's water; even that which fell from the sky[citation needed], i.e., rainwater. Bechtel was granted the power to seize the homes of delinquent customers. In response, Bolivians took to the streets.[7]
Following the Cochabamba Riots of 2000 in Bolivia, Cochabamba's water system is now run by an organization of community and government representatives. Though at a World Bank secret[8][9] tribunal, Bechtel is seeking "compensation for damages" from Bolivia in the amount they would have profited. Bechtel is demanding "at least US $25 million" — which is equal to 1.7% of Bolivia's public spending (as such a sum could finance 125,000 new connections to the public Cochabamba water system); "or 125,000 new water connections in Cochabamba
That's right, a private company that was in charge of the water and they seized peoples homes if they were unable to pay for the cost of water, they literally kicked their customers out onto the streets and took everything they had. The situation got so bad that the people rioted and demanded public water services.
Private water sources may increase availability to water, but it doesn't mean the people can afford it. In africa the coca-cola corporation is the only source of water in many areas, yet they charge exorbitant prices for water because they know people need it, a bottle of water costs double the price of a bottle of coke.
Honestly I wouldn't want any of my utilities to be completely privitized and they're not, the FCC regulates telephones, without their regulations the available phone service of landline phones would be akin to cell phones and the prices would likely be a lot higher. In the energy sector we saw what happened when we allowed a company free roam, that company was enron and they basically just squeezed profits from california by shutting off power for no reason other than the fact that when people are without power for a little while they are much more willing to pay higher prices to get it back and it was all legal at that time. How would you like it if your power or water or phones were shut off for a week just so that you would be more willing to pay an exorbitantly higher price for them?