What the hell does this link has to do with his time as president?  

Every time you provide "evidence" of something, it's as nonsensical as the original point.  It's typical mindless ranting about the U.S. as a magical land where we can have not taxes and all the benefits of paying taxes, all at the same time, where one only has to want to be a success and it magically happens and no one is poor, and we can rape the entire 3rd world of resources and culture and labor and reap no damaging backlash.  

It's so intellectually fraudulent and ridiculous and really not worth anyone's time.

Huh.  Well you know that dollar bill in your pocket?  That's the government holding your money for you and allowing you to do something with it.  Maybe you should barter chickens instead.

Exactly, allowing me to do what I want with it. I did not realize that when I pay into the Unemployment fund through taxes that I could still spend that money too. See the problem there? One allows me the choice to do what I want (spend paper money as I please while they hold the precious metals) while the other takes that option away. They hold my money and then return as they see fit, if you can't sp[ot the difference, sorry.

That crap about the government being a nanny state is such drivel.  If we actually allowed people to live without a net, we'd be in utter chaos.  Point to a country anywhere that has ever succeeded with a healthy and prosperous population without it.  It's so foolish.

It wouldn't be chaos, the idiots would die quick. The government should be there to protect us from others, not us from ourselves. Tobacco tax? wait till they introduce the sugar tax, and fat tax. How else will they pay for healthcare. The taxing of specific items like that is the government trying to run our lives by forcing us to do what we do not want to by taking more money.

But whatever.  It's your life.  You only hurt yourself by turning something like that down and thinking you are somehow living beyond the system.  I mean, the government helped you in SOOOO many ways get to the point where you can make that choice.  Health services and subsidies, public schools, roads, running water, power grids, investments in the college from which one graduated, the airwaves and telecommunications systems, the internet groundwork you are using now, etc. etc. etc.

Besides roads, although those things may have been started by the government(usually the armed forces, which is what I believe the government should support) The rest can be just as well or is being done just as well by the private sector. I am all for k-12, no need to force people into college who can't handle it.

The idea that anyone in this country lives above and beyond the government is just so fallacious and fraudulent.  And guess what?  In order for them to be there in the area that YOU need them to be there - after that car crash, or the time mom needed the ambulance or you needed the power back on after the storm, they need to make choices beyond you.  And just because YOUR needs may be different than someone else's doesn't make theirs less important.  

Its not that my needs are different or more important, its when you take what I work for and give it someone who doesn't that is problem. If you have read all i posted you would see that.I believe I even said it is worth it to invest in infrastructure in this thread.

Huh.  Well you know that dollar bill in your pocket?  That's the government holding your money for you and allowing you to do something with it.  Maybe you should barter chickens instead.

That crap about the government being a nanny state is such drivel.  If we actually allowed people to live without a net, we'd be in utter chaos.  Point to a country anywhere that has ever succeeded with a healthy and prosperous population without it.  It's so foolish.

But whatever.  It's your life.  You only hurt yourself by turning something like that down and thinking you are somehow living beyond the system.  I mean, the government helped you in SOOOO many ways get to the point where you can make that choice.  Health services and subsidies, public schools, roads, running water, power grids, investments in the college from which one graduated, the airwaves and telecommunications systems, the internet groundwork you are using now, etc. etc. etc.

The idea that anyone in this country lives above and beyond the government is just so fallacious and fraudulent.  And guess what?  In order for them to be there in the area that YOU need them to be there - after that car crash, or the time mom needed the ambulance or you needed the power back on after the storm, they need to make choices beyond you.  And just because YOUR needs may be different than someone else's doesn't make theirs less important.  

Think about countries where government is NOT involved in utilities and water.  Add to that the ego-centric, wealth accumulation-at-all-costs mentality of a good chunk of our country, and then I will invite you to go live in this new place HappySquirrel.   So if a kid is born of a drug-addicted set of parents or a single teenager who made a mistake, we just say "Oops.  Oh well.  Social Darwinism.  Sooner you die penniless on the street, the more stream-lined our economic numbers will look."

And by what magical standard are you selecting out of the air that infrastructure law enforcement military education health care = 20% of GDP?

Which countries in the world fall into that category?  The ones that have a canoe and a slingshot for their military?

The real world is quite contrary to this and to Mafoo's constant intellectual arguments that come down to "Well, I'm right because I post more than you" and stamp my feet like a little child, which is what this says:  

"But don't worry about what I want, you seem to prefer a country where we take from the rich and give to the poor, and everyone gets a good standard of living regardless of if they earned it or not, and the US is becoming just a country."

Take from the rich and give to the poor?  What are you, Marie Antoinette?  Queen Elizabeth?  It's like reading a defense of the serf system from the Dark Ages.  It's so elitist and selfish.  It just sickens me. You act like I'm proposing that we rob them.  If people over the course of this country hadn't paid taxes on their successful lives, the successful of today wouldn't have had the opportunities to make any of that money.  It's so egocentric to think that anyone achieves anything in a bubble, solely due to their hard work.  

It's the falsity of the "self-made man" American Dream mythos built up over the years.  There's no such thing in today's day and age.  

Wow, just wow, so you must have government support to succeed? You can't work hard and make it on your own in america any more? Silly me, sometimes I forget that we aren't individuals. I am not saying to do it alone, family and friends are more than welcome to help poeple, why do dtrangers have to? You want to help others so much, why don't you sell your game console, and your pc, and if you have a car, sell it and get a scooter, and donate all of that money to some one you find on the street in need. Why, dont you, possibly because that is not the best way to help them, or perhaps you enjoy your wealth too much.

So whatever.  I know that I will go to work and willingly pay my share, and then I will find a way to give some more, and volunteer to help.  Because the idea that there are people dying of hunger outside out doors right now, in a country that has no shortage of food or money or resources or connections, is sickening.  

Thranx, I have to believe, is just trying to pick a fight when he says things like "It wouldn't be chaos, the idiots would die quick. The government should be there to protect us from others, not us from ourselves."  But Mafoo and HappySquirrel, these are the geniuses and compassionate conservatives that agree with you, so I will let you deal with him.  He's one of yours. 

You will let them deal with me cause you can not bring up valide counter arguments? That is fine, that is the problem with america, lets just pass the buck to next person who will take the time to solve the problem.I am not one of theirs, I am of my own mind and opinion, if we all happen to agree, well that is awesome to bad the rest of the world does not. You act as though any tax is ok, did you forget why we revolted in the first place? It was taxes. Taxing those who work hard for every penny they get is not the answer to americas problems. Its getting people to start to take personal responsiblitly for their problems and actions, the contiutaion of bailing out people who make the wrong decision enables more and more pepople to do so. What will happen when all the workers and inovaters leave america? what will we build on then?

Just read that statement.  You could write a book on all the things wrong with that statement, intellectually and morally.  And that's what you're all arguing for.  It's just that he hasn't listened to enough of the talking points to learn how to cover the B.S. in pretty quite yet.

How about you comprehend what is being written?

Gross.  This is why we as a country are screwed.  If we invest in anything linked to a union, it's a giveaway and a liberal sellout.  So Repubs never will, and the Dems need to try to mitigate the damage.  Despite the fact that the vast majority of union jobs are manufacturing/construction (which we need more of desperately), education (district debts spiraling out of control for over a decade nationwide, teacher wages up just 3% adjusted for inflation since 1973 despite much more costly and stringent licensing and preparatory requirements), police/firefighter/health care jobs.   It's completely ridiculous to just shrug it off as a giveaway.  There is NOTHING we can do as a country that is more important than keeping kids safe and getting them educated.  If you don't do that, the rest is pointless. 

I mean your argument against the health care plan is "which is viewed by my private employer and those of my friends as doing nothing but raising healthcare costs on the private sector."  Yes.  I'm sure they have done a detailed analysis on the consequences versus staying on our completely unmanageable path that we'd been on.  

#2 is an opinion, so whatever you like.  I don't understand how you can on one hand want the leader of the free world and proponent of American exceptionalism simultaneously  to be at the same time completely humble and self-affacing while at the same time stormtrooping his way across the throats of the rest of the world.  But to each his own.  That worked so well with Bush.  

I'm not sure how well your life works when you roll through it pretending your way is the only way and never admitting flaws and errors, but I know mine wouldn't go so well.  We tried pushing people around and working unilaterally.  It failed miserably.  Obama had little choice but to be more congenial and humble.  In case you haven't noticed, we are completely reliant on India, and China, and Saudi Arabia, etc etc. nowadays.  Not vice versa.