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Tiko7523 said:

Obama is turning everything into a communist type world for the U.S  Everything is one sided with him.... he did give people change... he made everything WORSE.

 

Obama does nothing hes a joke/puppet .... the obama modification home loan plan is more of a joke... he doesnt pressure banks to do anything ... Banks will kick you out of your home like nothing even when you give them the paperwork they need .... 

 


I assume you also watch Fox News? Especially Glenn Beck. It's easy to repeat talking points without linking facts.



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TheRealMafoo said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
chocoloco said:

Has not changed my vote and I still have a very, very, very bitter taste in my mouth from the Bush era. So hell no he should be fine. I'm pretty sure I can't be the only one. Also the youth vote leans towards liberals and the aged voters who favor conservatives keep dying more and more each year.


dito. i'm on board with this


Young people 30 years ago were all liberals too. Now they are 50 and understand the world better, and realize they were wrong.

Every year new conservative are born... just 30-40 years after they were really born.

Mafoo you obviously didn't didn't read the response I gave another dude who said the same thing so I will repost it as it is pure logic.

Actually this is just an ideal people tell themselves. People from urban areas are more liberal and rural areas are more conservative as you probably know. The population growth in America is in urban regions while populations are falling in rural areas. So most of the young come from areas were being a liberal is dominant. If it was true that young liberals always become older Republicans than there would never be a Democrat in office. Why, because young people hardly vote and elderly people vote the most. So if young people all converted to conservative Clinton and Obama would never have been voted in and thats just using logic.



lilc64 said:

 

I say let the man do his job. Don’t really have time to elaborate I may come back to this and post facts, but I think it’s extremely funny how Obama is being hated for so many things it takes time to improve and problems he inherited. Fox news and other bias stations are running Obama into the ground and ignorant people are eating it up without question. I don’t consider myself to be a democrat or republican but it’s obvious when people get mad at the president for golfing while there is an oil spill things have taken a turn for the worst.

I'd agree there are quite a few mindless sensationalists with the political attention span of a fish...but there are people who look at his presidency rationally. The ways in which the stimulus money was spent is unacceptable.



Ultimately the republicans aren't going to be united. Guys who are deserving at least of the republican/conservative bid-Romney, Grinrich, Ron Paul- most likely won't be the choice. Instead, the ill-prepared Palin might be the sexy pic(pun intended). Republicans will lose it far more than the Democrats will win it.



thranx said:
chocoloco said:

Has not changed my vote and I still have a very, very, very bitter taste in my mouth from the Bush era. So hell no he should be fine. I'm pretty sure I can't be the only one. Also the youth vote leans towards liberals and the aged voters who favor conservatives keep dying more and more each year.


I didn't think Obama was liberal. Is he? It doesn't show. I hate to say it, but I think you may be in the minority, I do not read very positive news about Obama, and all those Obama preachers I used to hear from seem awfuly quiet now. I am not sure what will happen, but I do believe people in this country still want change, and that those who thought Obama was it probably feel he has been more of the same. We are still in afganistan and iraq (even if it isn't in the paper any more) things are looking to get worse again as far as the economy goes, and immigration and healthcare are still big issues. What has Obama changed? I hope voters start voting on some fiscally sound policies though as our country needs it.

I think Obama is trying to appease moderate independants that are swing voters.  So he waters down his libreal ideas to get relected. Also based on sour avatar I can see your a fellow stoner. So you should know that Obama has vowed to not prosecute federally any person who is involved in medical marijuana. This has caused my state Colorado to have a huge boom in the medical marijuana business. This has also helped many other states establish medical marijuana in states that used to fear and loathe the rath of the bush administration. Anyways thats one of many reasons I approve of Obama. He has not been libreral enough for me too as he has continued wars I believe should be over. Still its way better than any Republican would do concerning politics I care about.



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TheRealMafoo said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
TheRealMafoo said:

He promised he would get out of Iraq. He didn't. He promised to close Gitmo... twice. He didn't. He said if we did the bailouts, unemployment would not go higher then 8.5%. It did. He said if we pass healthcare, it would cost the average american less money. The CBO has stated that health insurance will cost more with the new law, then it would have otherwise.

He said he would bring both parties together. Nope. He said he would control spending. Nope.

That's just 7 quick ones off the top of my head. I could come up with dozens more if I thought about it, but I will stop. Now, give me 7 great things he has done in the two years he has been in office, or at least 7 things he said he would do, that he did.


war takes time. it's not just pull in pull out. aparently you don't understand strategy, but thats not something i'm going to argue about!

CBO? there playing it both ways. they say if this happens this happens and if that happens that happens. bad spin buddy. try something else. yes i watched CNNand they check with the CBO and Obama is on the mark by 52%. it's back and forth nothing solid the bill isn't perfect but at the lease we got something done.

well if the other side wants no part of bipartisanship even on the bills they help draft cause they want to play politic's then what you see is what you get. lets face it. nobody in washington wants to work together. and they dam sure don't want change. it's time to start over with our political system. 

you control spending and see if you get to work on time. fix  your car without spending and see if it can fix it's self. it will take spendding to fix this problem. the real problem is covering the cost of said spending. thats the only thing i agree with Republicans on. but thats not something i'd debate about.

i got a better idea. you give me more BS i can shoot down with my BS. call superman to save us. he's our only hope.

P.S. this is fun! my heads level now. i can do this without getting pissed off. 


Your arguing with me that getting out of Iraq day one is dumb? I hope you then agree Obama the candidate with respect to war, was dumb, because that's what he said he would do. Day one he would start withdrawing from Iraq.

i don't think he said that but if he did he is dumb. i'm not going to sugarcoat it because he's a better choice then the alternative. i can only assume thats what you got out of his words and if you believed him then thats your problem. in war you either win or lose and in my op we lost so many lives because of Bush and his Congress and senate. (Dems and GOP)

As for the rest, I control spending every day. If I didn't, I could not pay my bills, and I would not have a car to get to work in, or a place to live to go home too.

i'm proud (i'm not being sarcastic. you remind me of well me? my belt is always tight)but it takes money to run the world, and it's time we stopped 

How about this. You get yourself into a situation where your bills are twice as much as you earn, and see it taking out a loan fixes it.

don't reverse the situation cause i'm in that situation right now cause i earn nothing after my departure from Kroger six months ago but like you i have a tight belt. while i didn't save my tips i did save 98% of all my checks so i could go another yr without a job! you truly have no idea who you are talking to?

If you think it will, vote for Obama again.

if the alternative is the party of no then i will! cause no means nothing gets done and all that got done during the Bush regime was war, failure, and bad politic's. 

ok? get those loser Republicant's  back in and nothing changes! were in the same mess they started by ignoring the problem until it was to late. i blame who's and charge and since they left this mess for Dems to clean up then my blaming them won't change. i won't blame Obama for not being able to fix somebodies else's mess, but you can fill free to do so.





Mr Khan said:
Seece said:

Can someone sum up why Obama's approval rate is so low?


Conservative media FUD that tells us he's ruining the country and that Health Care reform is somehow going to make things worse.

 

The screamers are having an impact, simply put. We need to reverse Nixon's strategy, and get the silent majority working for the left.

Silent majority?  Majority disaproves Obama right now.  And I don't know how it's gonna get better.

Economy is looking worse and the war is getting more and more grim for the president.  His support from the Congress will be going down too in November.

Well he still has a chance of course.  He is cool.



richardhutnik said:
mhsillen said:
Mr. sickVisionz said:

I think he'll be fine, especially if the Repubs run a political genius like Palin


Thinking Palin is stupid,I see you drank the MSM kool-aid. Still talking about Palin when the dumbest person happens to be vice-pres. Please look up dumb quotes or statements authored by the wizard known as Biden. One step from being prez and your still hung up on Palin.  How do you know she is stupid? Oh you must get your news from SNL

Biden quotes:
http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=s&hl=en&source=hp&q=biden quotes&btnG=Google Search

On Palin:

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/sarahpalin/a/palinisms.htm

Dubya:

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/bushquotes/Bushisms_and_Funny_Bush_Quotes.htm

 

One of these three's been involved directly in the office of the President of the United States.  Do you seriously want to debate levels of stupid here?  And do you believe Biden will ever end up as president barring anything that would happen with Obama?  Do you?


Yes I would debate the stupidity of Biden. He gets a pass for saying things such as"Obama is a clean well spoken black person"  And he gets a pass for saying that.  That is stupid

 

And quotes attributed to Palin are actually things that were said on SNL by Tina Fey playing Palin.  And the MSM still thinks they came from Palin herself. A person has to be blind not see the bias in the last election.  They went out of there way to attack Palin and her family while giving President Obama a red carpet to the white house



If Obama's numbers go really low, does anyone think Hilary will run against him?




No. He will be destroyed.