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And this is a pretty nice interview about the system.  Give it a read.

 

http://www.next-gen.biz/features/interview-andrew-oliver

 

Motion tracking is never completely clean – how good is Kinect?
It's a very clever system that they've got. They look at the depth data, they work out fairly quickly if it's a human, and then they apply their algorithms to give you all the bones or whatever. And if you're standing up in front of it, it kind of works, and now with the new software libraries, if you're sitting down on the sofa, it works. OK, so one big thing that people were questioning was whether you could sit on the sofa. The new libraries work, but there are certain things, like in our fitness game, where you sit on the floor where it kind of gets confused. But the most expensive motion capture systems you can get out there, probably Vicon, it's like: you can break those as well, and that's why you employ clean up animators to go an fill in all the little gaps and stuff like that. So, we don't have the luxury of having that offline clean up ability, we have to do it live.

But then, what is it that you're doing live? For example, in Biggest Loser the skeleton doesn't work when you're lying on the floor, but what we had to do was say look at it in another way. They've given us the software library, and it can't cover all cases, but we can look at the silhouette and see that the player is currently doing a press up. You can actually see that their bum's lagging, and they're bending their back. Then I would need to do a software algorithm that kind of works that out. It's just a bit of image processing. So they've given you a generic piece, which is actually pretty impressive and covers most cases - certainly all the standing up, and now sitting down. If you want to go further than that, then do it yourself in software.



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Damnit! The "Things to hate about the Kinect"-list is shrinking!

 

Ah, it's nice to hear it's fixed. Hopefully they will continue improving the software to eliminate all problems and further extend the possibilities of Kinect.



RolStoppable said:

That certainly is an improvement, but the log still comes out on top.

 

What rolls down stairs alone or in pairs
Rolls over your neighbor's dog?
What's great for a snack and fits on your back?
It's Log, Log, Log!

It's Log, Log, it's big, it's heavy, it's wood.
It's Log, Log, it's better than bad, it's good!
Everyone wants a log! You're gonna love it, Log!
Come on and get your log! Everyone needs a Log!

forest-spirit said:

Damnit! The "Things to hate about the Kinect"-list is shrinking!

 

Ah, it's nice to hear it's fixed. Hopefully they will continue improving the software to eliminate all problems and further extend the possibilities of Kinect.

IMHO and unfortunately, it's too late for the launch games, future games wil probably allow you to seat but not those available on november the 4th



Sweep said:
forest-spirit said:

Damnit! The "Things to hate about the Kinect"-list is shrinking!

 

Ah, it's nice to hear it's fixed. Hopefully they will continue improving the software to eliminate all problems and further extend the possibilities of Kinect.

IMHO and unfortunately, it's too late for the launch games, future games wil probably allow you to seat but not those available on november the 4th

 

Yeah, the main thing most were bitching about was dash navigation only being usable whilst standing.  That is no longer a concern.

Launch games were definitely affected by the constantly changing software libraries that MS was implementing.  They could only possibly include the most basic of functionality in order to meet the launch window.  Hopefully the 2nd gen Kinect games show a little more imagination.



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Sweep said:
forest-spirit said:

Damnit! The "Things to hate about the Kinect"-list is shrinking!

 

Ah, it's nice to hear it's fixed. Hopefully they will continue improving the software to eliminate all problems and further extend the possibilities of Kinect.

IMHO and unfortunately, it's too late for the launch games, future games wil probably allow you to seat but not those available on november the 4th

Actually, there is no reason why the launch games can't incoporate the updated software libraries.



ill wait for actual video proof



ramses01 said:
Sweep said:
forest-spirit said:

Damnit! The "Things to hate about the Kinect"-list is shrinking!

 

Ah, it's nice to hear it's fixed. Hopefully they will continue improving the software to eliminate all problems and further extend the possibilities of Kinect.

IMHO and unfortunately, it's too late for the launch games, future games wil probably allow you to seat but not those available on november the 4th

Actually, there is no reason why the launch games can't incoporate the updated software libraries.

Because they were not designed using these new libraries



Sweep said:
ramses01 said:
Sweep said:
forest-spirit said:

Damnit! The "Things to hate about the Kinect"-list is shrinking!

 

Ah, it's nice to hear it's fixed. Hopefully they will continue improving the software to eliminate all problems and further extend the possibilities of Kinect.

IMHO and unfortunately, it's too late for the launch games, future games wil probably allow you to seat but not those available on november the 4th

Actually, there is no reason why the launch games can't incoporate the updated software libraries.

Because they were not designed using these new libraries

Actually Microsoft has probably told these people what the final capabilities will be.  So it wouldn't be very difficult for the games to be made with these capabilities near complete.   Sort of like saying a game would be released without the up or down control.  I don't see why people even considered the Kinect would be for standing rooms only. 

Basically the Kinect is a big controller, and your movements are the up, down, left, right, and buttons etc..   You can think of it like the controller is nearing completion.  



"If you've got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow."

Quote by- The Imortal John Wayne, the original BADASS!

 

 

 

damndl0ser said:

Actually Microsoft has probably told these people what the final capabilities will be.  So it wouldn't be very difficult for the games to be made with these capabilities near complete.   Sort of like saying a game would be released without the up or down control.  I don't see why people even considered the Kinect would be for standing rooms only. 

Basically the Kinect is a big controller, and your movements are the up, down, left, right, and buttons etc..   You can think of it like the controller is nearing completion.  


Nah, developers need to test things.  They don't want to be shipping a game in 4 months and not have actually been able to test the game in a sitting position.