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The other arabs could care less about the palestenians, that's why they pay hamas all kinds of $$$$ so that some idiot palestenian that can't support his family will go and blow himself up.   If they cared about the people as being more than instruments, then they would try to find a better way but sadly this hasn't happened.



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superchunk said:

At one time I strongly argued for a full retreat to the green line and financial repayment to Palestinians for Arab homes within Israel that are lost to the millions of refugees. However, I've come to believe now that the only real solution is a full annexation of WB/Gaza by Israel with immediate full rights bestowed on the Arab populace, including refugees. However, Israel is at best to do that for WB only. In the end it wouldn't matter as time would be on Arab's side and they would quickly return to the majority population.

Another solution is that the Palestinian refugees stop calling themselves Palestinians and accept that they're Arabs who can live anywhere in the huge Arab world.

Israel belongs to the Jews, not anyone else.



Superchunk, so the Palestenians have a homeland which is Israel, but the jews have no homeland.  correct?



Slimebeast said:
superchunk said:

At one time I strongly argued for a full retreat to the green line and financial repayment to Palestinians for Arab homes within Israel that are lost to the millions of refugees. However, I've come to believe now that the only real solution is a full annexation of WB/Gaza by Israel with immediate full rights bestowed on the Arab populace, including refugees. However, Israel is at best to do that for WB only. In the end it wouldn't matter as time would be on Arab's side and they would quickly return to the majority population.

Another solution is that the Palestinian refugees stop calling themselves Palestinians and accept that they're Arabs who can live anywhere in the huge Arab world.

Israel belongs to the Jews, not anyone else.

Says who exactly?



"Life is but a gentle death. Fate is but a sickness that results in extinction and in the midst of all the uncertainty, lies resolve."

Just like Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Jordan, Palestine and the Palestininan people are modern creations without much historical legitimacy. These nations and peoples are artificial creations due to the fall and territorial withdrawal of the British and Ottoman empire who ruled these lands for centuries.

There has never ever existed a Palestinian nation.

Historically speaking there is no Palestinian people and no Jordan, Iraqi or Syrian nations.  Iraq could as well have been named Mesopotamia since it geographically correlates somewhat with ancient Mesopotamia, while the modern states of Syria and Egypt happened to get names that reflect their historical geographical position.



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Kamal said:
Slimebeast said:
superchunk said:

At one time I strongly argued for a full retreat to the green line and financial repayment to Palestinians for Arab homes within Israel that are lost to the millions of refugees. However, I've come to believe now that the only real solution is a full annexation of WB/Gaza by Israel with immediate full rights bestowed on the Arab populace, including refugees. However, Israel is at best to do that for WB only. In the end it wouldn't matter as time would be on Arab's side and they would quickly return to the majority population.

Another solution is that the Palestinian refugees stop calling themselves Palestinians and accept that they're Arabs who can live anywhere in the huge Arab world.

Israel belongs to the Jews, not anyone else.

Says who exactly?

Because the Jews are the people who have the strongest historical connection to the territory and because Israel is acknowledged by the UN as a Jewish sovereign nation.



dallas said:

Superchunk, so the Palestenians have a homeland which is Israel, but the jews have no homeland.  correct?


Jews had homes (European ones) before Israel was created. Now they live in areas that were owned by Arabs.

But that was then and this is now; as for the current situation, I never said Israel should go away, in fact I said the exact opposite. One nation with all of them is going to be the eventual outcome. Even hardliners in Israeli government are starting to suggest that as the only option.



Slimebeast said:
Kamal said:
Slimebeast said:
superchunk said:

At one time I strongly argued for a full retreat to the green line and financial repayment to Palestinians for Arab homes within Israel that are lost to the millions of refugees. However, I've come to believe now that the only real solution is a full annexation of WB/Gaza by Israel with immediate full rights bestowed on the Arab populace, including refugees. However, Israel is at best to do that for WB only. In the end it wouldn't matter as time would be on Arab's side and they would quickly return to the majority population.

Another solution is that the Palestinian refugees stop calling themselves Palestinians and accept that they're Arabs who can live anywhere in the huge Arab world.

Israel belongs to the Jews, not anyone else.

Says who exactly?

Because the Jews are the people who have the strongest historical connection to the territory and because Israel is acknowledged by the UN as a Jewish sovereign nation.

That's BS. Arabs have lived there as a majority for hundreds of years longer than Jews ever did. Jews only think they havea  stronger connection due to their narrow minded history.

People lived there before Jews migrated there and Arabs moved in after Romans kicked them out. Again, the Dome of the Rock has stood longer than BOTH Jewish temples COMBINED, by hundreds of years.

EDIT: ... and that's only the Muslim Arab part of the history. Arabs were a majority before Muslims even existed.



superchunk said:
Slimebeast said:
Kamal said:
Slimebeast said:
superchunk said:

At one time I strongly argued for a full retreat to the green line and financial repayment to Palestinians for Arab homes within Israel that are lost to the millions of refugees. However, I've come to believe now that the only real solution is a full annexation of WB/Gaza by Israel with immediate full rights bestowed on the Arab populace, including refugees. However, Israel is at best to do that for WB only. In the end it wouldn't matter as time would be on Arab's side and they would quickly return to the majority population.

Another solution is that the Palestinian refugees stop calling themselves Palestinians and accept that they're Arabs who can live anywhere in the huge Arab world.

Israel belongs to the Jews, not anyone else.

Says who exactly?

Because the Jews are the people who have the strongest historical connection to the territory and because Israel is acknowledged by the UN as a Jewish sovereign nation.

That's BS. Arabs have lived there as a majority for hundreds of years longer than Jews ever did. Jews only think they havea  stronger connection due to their narrow minded history.

People lived there before Jews migrated there and Arabs moved in after Romans kicked them out. Again, the Dome of the Rock has stood longer than BOTH Jewish temples COMBINED, by hundreds of years.

But Jews came there long before the Arabs, and they're there now.

And the First Jewish temple was built more than a thousand years before the Dome, and they still have the Western Wall which is a remnant of the Second Temple. And hopefully some day a full temple will be rebuilt. 



welp, arafat blew his chance for peace in 2000 .  He said if he signed the peace treaty he would be killed, just like yitzak rabin